The Delta Flyers - DS9 Whispers 214 Video

The question by Prophet Jason Morrow got me to asking if this episode could have been made a 2-parter.

Dee McGee

Always liked this one

Harmony through Time Mighty Mouse

the reason for him beaming down was to warn the Parada people

Doni Marie Sanchez

Also, didn't he make a comment before he beamed down wondering what they are hiding? I could be remembering wrong, but I think he was trying to solve the puzzle. Maybe as the replicate he would instinctually be drawn to that area once he got close to it.

Alicia Stolp

I always assumed they didn't put him in the brig because that would tip off the bad guys that they were on to them. They needed to catch the bad guys.

Alicia Stolp

Your concerns about spoilers always make me smile: who is listening to/watching this having not ever seen the episode? That'd be quite a way to do a first watch of the show!

Christina De Clerck-Szilagyi

We first see it in TNG's "Rascals" (I think).

Christina De Clerck-Szilagyi

“Double-strong, double-sweet” is O’Brien’s typical order that we see in a lot more episodes going forward

Becky Messer

The gentlemen asked about what the cough exam is all about. As physicians, when we do this exam we are looking, indeed, for an inguinal hernia. The testicle starts its life in the abdomen then makes its way during the fetal period down to the scrotum. That canal doesn’t always close, so with increased abdominal pressure, like from a cough, the intestine is pushed down. Then it goes back up when the pressure is released, unless it’s too big and gets trapped. When that happens, it’s a strangulated hernia which is very painful and needs immediate surgery. So, we are trying to triage who needs, if found, to get it fixed and who needs simply to wear a hernia belt so doesn’t get larger.

Lee Stroud

Same!!

Zoe

Love the never sure what's happening vibe.

Joost

I think also this episode was really about the replicant! It was his episode and so it ended with him. It wasn’t really about O’Brien and his family. So I liked that it ended with replicant dying. It started with him, so it should end with him.

Jeffra

This is one I always remember (significant to me). I enjoyed having O’Brien’s narrative lead the episode. So I would give it a 7.6 also.

Jeffra

You are correct. I stand corrected. Wait, why am I standing to be corrected? I will sit down and be corrected thank you very much. :-) I had thought that there was another scene back at the station after replicant Miles dies but I was thinking about the previous episode and coffee conversation with Keiko.

ST Fan CB

No I'm pretty sure he's a Pakled from TNG actually. Came back in Lower Decks too!

Jeremy Sessions

I've always thought that in addition to the uncertainty of whether or not this was the real O'Brien, the crew at DS9 were also trying to figure out what exactly the assassin's mission was. That could explain why they didn't immediately lock him in the brig, they needed to see if they could find out what he was there to do. In addition, they couldn't have known what exactly the "trigger" was that the Paradans mentioned at the end of the episode. They likely were being cautious to avoid "activating" the assassin. I'm still confused as to whether the DS9 crew were working with the Paradan rebels or the government though. Never quite figured that one out. I'm also gonna disagree with the comments about pulling up Quark by his lapels. I get that it's not a nice thing to do, but Quark is generally not a nice guy! Is he a good guy? Yes, usually. Is he one of the hero characters? Yes. But I do think that it's an important dynamic to the character. The fact that it's mean is the point. IDK, maybe that's a super unenlightened take, but it doesn't really bother me when that happens.

Jeremy Sessions

Really enjoyed the discussion this week! Made me think of the TV shows Orphan Black and Orphan Black:Echos

Heather Marsh

Even though they do go off on talking about other things, they do come back and finish the scene at 1:40:10 where they talk about replicant O'Brien's last line. The hosts do their best at summarizing as much of the scenes as they can, but there will times when it's not perfect.

Garrett

They talk about the complete ending in other places esp the bonus material but at the time index I mentioned they just cut off the recap with O'brien staring at himself and never talked about going back to the station.

ST Fan CB

Totally agree

Constance

So what is Armin’s favorite pillow?

Constance

I like that they didn’t incarcerate O’Brien for a couple reasons. 1. Incarceration on suspicion is a slippery slope, 2. They couldn’t tip off the evil aliens cuz they would send another operative

Constance

Guessing Armin hasn’t seen Battlestar, lol.

Constance

Would Armin have practiced the grab? The performances were great, played well and believable in the scene.

Constance

No idea non-makeup Morn was in this episode, so cool!!

Constance

The coffee mention was a call back to the previous episode. DS9 again respecting the audience, and leaving Easter Eggs.

Constance

You must have skipped ahead because they take the recap right down to discussing the final line of the episode.

MG

Me too!

Marian Bieniek

OMG Garret, Yes! I totally thought that engineer guy was you as well from behind!

Rosemarie

Possible answer for the coffee cup prop being different - I imagine you could programme your home replicator with your own cutlery and crockery presets, whereas using a public replicator you get the default.

Scott Fuller

This episode is also a lot like the film Shattered

Mike Joyce

I'm surprised nobody commented that O'Brien wasn't wearing his combadge in the runabout, when he's making his log entries. Another sign that something was off.

Sarah Ettritch

Ref “actors don’t make a lot of money”… A few years back, I started looking in to what it ales to be an actor. When I read somewhere the average actor doesn’t even make $25K a year, I decided I would stick to working in I.T. and keep pursuing industry certifications. The acting world will have to carry on with out me. Sorry… 🤣

Greg Byrne

My view is that Molly was just being a recalcitrant child whose actions unintentionally fed into fake Miles growing paranoia.

ST Fan CB

I was thinking the writers were trying to show that something was off because children often sense when something is different sooner than adults do.

DebbieD

The guy sitting next to Jake on the Promenade? That's a Pakled from TNG.

Kevin Wheeler

Re:Velcro, T’pol’s great great great grandmother sold Velcro to a patent office in Carbon Creek to fund a young boy’s college eduction before she was rescued and went back to Vulcan in Enterprise.

Karen Chuplis

Could Molly tell? Is that what Keiko was trying to tell Sisko in the promenade? Did they decide it was the replecant after she reports Molly’s reaction? Because she was way too young to be told “that isn’t daddy” and get it.

Karen Chuplis

Update: Did anyone else notice that the boys never finished recapping the story? They end at 1:37:11 with O'Brien looking at himself and then they go off on several tangents and never come back to the story to finish the recap. What the freakazoid man? Yeah, Sisko and Keiko were definitely NOT huddled together looking sneaky. They were standing in public two feet apart and looked like Keiko was upset and pointing her hand at Sisko. Come on man. Again with the "no weapons are allowed on the promenade". This only applies to non-station personnel. Odo can't tell Sisko who is in charge of the station that he can't bring his weapon there. Obviously security is allowed to have them for security purposes. SMH. Revised: No, the runabouts are NOT stored in the upper pylons, they are stored in hangers in the docking ring. Additionally, we were shown an exterior view of the runabout as it transits the station. If he were coming from an upper pylon, the ship would not be flying that low in a flat trajectory. Remember that we last see Miles in the habitat ring right after Jake reports him and he enters the conduit there and almost immediately starts to climb. He can't be climbing a ladder in a docking pylon in the docking ring because he would have had to cross over to the docking ring from the habitat ring. There are smaller structures on the habitat ring that are called defense sails which is probably where he is climbing the ladder. After he climbs the ladder, he enters into a cargo bay that probably serves as storage for the defense sail. Then he uses the cargo bay transporter to transport to a runabout stored in the docking ring. This is the best explanation that I could come with that makes sense. Other than the Rio Grande, there were 3 other Danube Class Runabouts named after rivers in the USA. One was the NX Class USS Yellowstone from the Voyager episode where Harry Kim was sent to an alt timeline. The 2 others we will see in future episodes and are named the USS Shenandoah and USS Yukon. Sorry boys, no USS Mississippi. Several times it seems that the station is getting transmissions from the Parada System in the Gamma Quadrant. How is that possible since it was established prior that no signals could get through the wormhole. Only in a later episode do they put a relay in place to enable communication. As explained in ST: ENT "Carbon Creek" velcro was actually given to humans by Vulcans who crashed on Earth in the mid 1950s. So if the Paradan rebel threw down his weapon, where did he get the one that he shot Miles with? Strongly disagree about the alien makeup. I thought it was great and showed MORE effort than just a little nose or forehead thing most of them have.

ST Fan CB

Loved the podcast. I appreciate the keys to making a mystery work. I also didn’t pick up on several items in the episode that you did so I’ll go back and watch for them.

SnazzyO

It’s a great episode in terms of mystery. And all your sympathy is with O’Brien. A couple of fan-theories to serve as plot-onium filler: 1) They didn’t want whoever was sending the replicant to know they were on to him, so they needed to test him to see if there were any clues to the real Mile’s location. So arresting replicant-Miles would tip off the bad guys and could result in the death of real Miles. 2) They found out real Miles’ location and went there to rescue him, that’s why they went to the moon. They didn’t show us this, because they didn’t want to give the game away 3) Real Miles went to the moon because he wanted to find out who Sisko & company was working with. 4) They didn’t expect replicant Miles to really believe he was Miles. Which is what makes the story so sad. Which means a missing scene would have been: Bashir or Sisko telling O’Brien, ‘until we found you, we had to play along because if we arrested him, they would have killed you.’

SnazzyO

Pakled. They steal technology. Not too bright. So yeah, sketchy.

SnazzyO

Our Prophets are allowed to make comments or ask questions. I will be removing the above comment as it goes against our rules.

Garrett

Jonathan Beresford

He is a Pakled first seen in TNG ep Samaritan Snare.

Mark Perron

How do they know the one that died wasn't the real miles and the other one wasn't the clone? if he passed a physical then surely there'd need to be more conclusive proof than the word of some aliens? Missing scene.

Jonathan Beresford

Or was he a tng guest star? I wish I could recall. I know ive seen him before

Jonathan Beresford

they guy jake is hanging out with... isn't he a delta quadrant alien from voyager.???

Jonathan Beresford

It's always been one of my favorites of the early seasons of DS9.

Jace Bales

I admit that I did not rewatch this episode recently and I thought it was a Bashir-centric episode. Now reflecting on that, I believe I was thinking of "Distant Voices".

Don Eitner

Good podcast! I just watched "Whispers" recently and it was very confusing and shocking (a la Twilight Zone). Very cool that Leonard Nimoy (Spock)'s widow, Susan was in the episode!

Nicole Brettell

I always get this one mixed up with Distant Voices smhlol

Tashicat