November 22nd, 2019: Gardner, Gregorius, Betances, Mailbag
Added 2019-11-22 14:16:11 +0000 UTCA wild free agent signing has appeared. The White Sox gave Yasmani Grandal a four-year contract worth $18M annually yesterday. Grandal reportedly discussed a four-year contract worth $60M with the Mets last offseason, instead took one year and $18.25M from the Brewers, and got an even bigger payday this winter. Grandal will make $91.25M from ages 30-34. The Yankees gave Brian McCann $85M for the same five-year chunk of his career. The one-year bet on himself paid off for Grandal. Good for him. Anyway, here is a smaller than usual post because I covered much of what I planned to cover today in yesterday's Rule 5 Draft protection deadline post, which I decided to post right away rather than wait until the regularly scheduled Friday post. I'll shut up now. On to today's thoughts.
1. Still no Gardner deal. I am surprised the Yankees have not yet re-signed Brett Gardner. It's going to happen at some point, we all know it and it makes sense for both sides, I just didn't expect it to take this long. Last year the Yankees re-signed Gardner on Oct. 31st, though there was the club option in play. That didn't set a hard deadline for a new Gardner deal, necessarily, but it did help move things along. That is not the case this year. The two sides can take as much time as they want. The guess here is Gardner's camp is pushing for a two-year contract -- I know he's 36, but if you can't ask for a two-year deal after setting new career highs in homers (28) and total offensive output (115 wRC+) while playing a solid center field, when can you? -- and the Yankees are holding firm at one year, or are maybe only willing to go to one year with an option. Also, the deal the Yankees gave Gardner last offseason proved to be an overpay relative to other free agent veteran outfielders. Here are last winter's notable one-year free agents contracts for outfielders:
- Brett Gardner: $7.5M
- Nick Markakis: $6M
- Jon Jay: $4M
- Avisail Garcia: $3.25M
- Adam Jones: $3M
Gardner was better than all those guys this past season and was well worth the $7.5M, but maybe the Yankees realized they could've cut a more favorable deal had they waited a little bit after seeing how the offseason played out, and they don't want to repeat that mistake this year. They know Gardner wants to play next season and eventually retire in pinstripes -- "I’ve always been open about wanting to play my whole career here. I hope I get the opportunity to do that," Gardner told Dan Martin last month -- which I'm sure they're trying to leverage in contract talks. Also, there's likely little concern he will one day suddenly sign elsewhere without warning. The Yankees are probably confident Gardner and his agent will give them a chance to match any contract offer should it get to the point where they are considering signing elsewhere. I have to think this will wrap up soon. The Yankees need a center fielder with Aaron Hicks having Tommy John surgery and Gardner is the best option in a thin market for free agent center fielders, plus they know he can handle New York and use the short porch to his advantage, and all that. The Yankees and Gardner will work out a new contract reasonably soon, I believe. I'm just surprised it hasn't happened already, three weeks into the offseason.
2. Bringing Didi back. I feel the Yankees should re-sign Didi Gregorius a little more strongly with each passing day. I want as much depth as possible at the hard-to-fill positions and Sir Didi is far and away the best true middle infielder on the free agent market. He'd provide a quality left-handed bat, something the Yankees sorely lack right now, as well as a very good glove. Also, Gregorius has passed every "can he handle New York?" test imaginable. He did not have a good season in 2019, I know that, but that will likely drag down his contract and that's more of a reason to sign him. He'll come at a relative discount now. For what it's worth, Steamer projects Gregorius as a top 25 middle infielder next season, and that's a guy worth keeping around given the contract projections:
- MLBTR: 3 years and $42M
- FanGraphs crowdsourcing: 3 years and $45M
Someone sent in a mailbag question asking about a potential Jake Arrieta/Zack Britton contract with Gregorius, meaning a player option with a multi-year club option, and that could work, though to date only Scott Boras has negotiated those contracts, and Gregorius is not a Boras client. Other agents may not be willing to do something like that yet. Either way, Gregorius was an All-Star caliber player in 2017 and 2018, then he had a little bump in the road in 2019 following Tommy John surgery, and now he'll have a normal and healthy offseason. I expect to see the 2017-18 version of Gregorius in 2020-21 (or something close to it), not the 2019 version, and the Yankees should be trying to maximize the next few years before the window with this core closes. That means again fielding a three-headed middle infield monster with Gregorius, Gleyber Torres, and DJ LeMahieu. It's not like the Yankees have a hot shot middle infield prospect coming. There's no one to block. Bring Gregorius back, put him at short and Gleyber at second, and move LeMahieu around the infield. With each passing day I feel it is more a necessity than a luxury. I am not optimistic the Yankees will bring Didi back -- every dollar they give him is a dollar they can't give Gerrit Cole or another high-end starter -- but it should happen. Gregorius is part of the solution.
3. Bullpen market. The Braves have struck early this offseason and signed Will Smith, the top free agent reliever, and former Yankee Chris Martin, who figured things out in Japan and had a very good 2019 season with the Rangers and Braves. Atlanta gave Smith three years and $39M and Martin two years and $14M. They identified the free agents they wanted and acted quickly. Here are the top available free agent relief pitchers according to FanGraphs' projected 2020 WAR (full-time relievers only, not swingmen):
1. RHP Dellin Betances: +0.8 WAR
2. LHP Jake Diekman: +0.8 WAR
3. RHP Will Harris: +0.7 WAR
4. LHP Drew Pomeranz: +0.6 WAR
5. RHP Craig Stammen: +0.4 WAR
The free agent reliever market wasn't great to start with and now two of the best available (Smith is projected for +0.8 WAR, Martin for +0.7 WAR) are off the board, only three weeks into the offseason. The supply dropped (two relievers off the board) but the demand did not drop a commensurate amount (one team signed both relievers). Because of that, I reckon Betances is starting to look much more appealing to contending teams that need bullpen help, even with the Achilles injury. He'll look even more appealing once Harris comes off the board (Diekman projects well but eh). The current state of the free agent reliever market could create a bidding war for Betances and push the offers up. He won't get a Smith deal because of the injuries -- Betances could've sought $13M a year with another typical Dellin season in 2019 -- but maybe now he does get two guaranteed years instead of three. Or hey, maybe he gets three guaranteed years instead of two. It could be the team that offers the third guaranteed year, even at a lower annual salary, gets him. The Braves quickly scooping up two top free agent relievers is good news for Betances and bad news for the Yankees if they hope to retain him. There are baseball reasons to walk away from Dellin (32 in March, missed close to a full season with a shoulder injury, control-challenged, etc.) but he is also arguably the best reliever on the market now. The Yankees have a stacked bullpen and don't necessarily need Betances. There's always room for another high-strikeout guy in the bullpen though -- as good as the bullpen was this past season, how many times did it seem like they needed one more high-leverage capable arm out there? -- and I think the odds of a reunion are lower now than they were two weeks ago, before Smith and Martin came off the board. Very few free agent relievers look like potential impact pieces. A healthy Betances can absolutely be a difference-maker and it's only a matter of time until some team steps forward and makes that aggressive offer. I hope it's the Yankees. I'm not holding my breath.
Mailbag Question of the Week
Rob asks (short version): How would you punish the Astros for their sign-stealing scheme If you were commissioner and assuming the organization/personnel named so far are all as guilty as they look right now?
I'm with Joel Sherman on this: MLB needs to come down hard on the Astros. Technology is not going away -- it will only be used more in baseball as time goes on -- and this is the time to establish harsh penalties for improper use of said technology. I'd rather overpenalize now and set the standard than give them a slap on the wrist and potentially invite more cheating.
Two things to keep in mind. One, in September 2017 commissioner Rob Manfred said "all 30 clubs have been notified that future violations of this type will be subject to more serious sanctions" when the Red Sox were fined for their Apple Watches, so a warning was issued, and video evidence suggests the Astros cheated after that warning.
And two, MLB sent teams a memo last spring defining improper use of technology and reminding them of the severity of the penalties. That's because the Astros were busted videotaping opposing dugouts last postseason. MLB also ramped up anti-cheating protocols by installing an official in each team's video room to monitor activity this year.
Clearly, using technology to steal signs is very much on MLB's radar, and it is naive to think the Astros limited their cheating to 2017 (Manfred told Jeff Passan yesterday that MLB's investigation will include 2018 and 2019, not just 2017). Set the standard now and come down hard. My proposed punishment:
- Maximum allowable fine (I think it's $2M but I could be wrong).
- Forfeit every pick in the top 10 rounds in the 2020 and 2021 drafts.
- Cap bonuses at $10,000 for the 2020-21 and 2021-22 international signing periods.
- One-year suspension for GM Jeff Luhnow.
- One-year suspension for manager A.J. Hinch.
There is precedent for doing most of this. The Cardinals had to forfeit several draft picks when they were found guilty during the hacking scandal a few years ago. The Braves were limited to $10,000 bonuses for a year after they got busted for skirting international signing rules two years ago. Same idea now, just ramp it up a notch.
As for the suspensions, MLB banned Braves GM John Coppolella for life after the Braves scandal -- he's currently selling real estate in Orlando -- and special assistant Gordon Blakeley received a one-year suspension. Also, Padres GM A.J. Preller was suspended for 30 days after it was found the team hid medical information from trade partners.
Isn't the Astros cheating worse than the Braves cheating? I think so. Coppolella was banned for giving some kids too much money. Meh. The Astros damaged the integrity of the game. They've brought into question the reliability of the results on the field, for a World Series champion no less. That is pretty damaging to the game's reputation.
Because of that, suspend Luhnow for a year. No involvement with the team for 12 months, which means he can't take part in 2020 planning or future planning, which hits the Astros pretty hard. His lieutenants have to run the show in the interim. Word is fellow GMs were upset Preller didn't miss much planning time. That wouldn't be the case with Luhnow.
As for Hinch, there has to be some discipline for the uniformed personnel, right? It would be awfully tough to punish the players unless there's hard evidence a player(s) was the ringleader, so punish the man tasked with overseeing them on a daily basis. Suspending a manager for a year is unprecedented, but so it this type of cheating.
There is no way Hinch looks good here. Either he knew about the cheating and allowed it to continue, or he didn't know about it and isn't on top of things. Either looks bad. MLB could appoint an interim manager they trust to prevent future cheating but also be a good faith manager who manages the team to win. Buck Showalter? Dusty Baker? Not sure.
Something like this happened a few years ago. When the Mets needed a new GM after the 2010 season, MLB pushed Sandy Alderson on them because the team was essentially not in good standing because of their financial issues, and the commissioner's office wanted someone they trusted to run the show. The Astros are in a similar situation now.
So that's my proposed punishment. The biggest fine possible, tank their amateur talent acquisition process the next two years, and long suspensions for the GM and manager. Too harsh? Maybe, but it has to hurt. This is MLB's chance to take a stand and show they will come down hard if you use technology to cheat. Do it now or the scandals will only get worse.
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Comments
I would add to the proposed punishment of the Astros a playoff ban for every year cheating was proven to the league’s satisfaction. That feels more like it would punish the players who also need to bear a big part of the punishment. In my view, their current core should bear a significant punishment if this is proven to be as bad as it seems. 2017 is all but vacated from a PR perspective, so vacating the title won’t do much. A playoff ban seems like the only way. I mean, imagine this Astros team making the playoffs and even winning a title next year. At best it will be awkward for everyone. I can’t imagine league, media, fans and sport in general celebrating a title with this core assuming all of this cheating is proven.
Gus N
2019-11-27 06:55:02 +0000 UTCGood point, thank you. Was trying to get them to make some hard choices about their current roster, hadn't thought of that.
Mike Farley
2019-11-25 15:39:27 +0000 UTCYou'd be punishing free agents unrelated to the scandal by taking away a potential landing spot.
Michael Axisa
2019-11-25 15:02:32 +0000 UTCHow about a punishment that involved the Astros having to adhere to a hard cap for a few years, which would be 20% less than what their payroll was last year? The draft picks, etc. are fine but this would be a penalty felt immediately!
Mike Farley
2019-11-25 14:19:16 +0000 UTCAgree with all your Astros punishments except Luhnow. If Coppolella got banned for life, that is the least Luhnow should get.
Will Stickle
2019-11-24 05:13:01 +0000 UTCKind of make you wonder about whether or not there was more to the Cardinals hacking story. If my memory serves me correctly, I think I read the Cards said they initially hacked the Astros suspecting Ludnow was hacking into their system? Hey, I'm not trying to justify anything here, it's just a scumbag is a scumbag and where there's smoke......
Garry Michaud
2019-11-23 12:51:41 +0000 UTCPlayers will just have to wear the shame and embarrassment. That should cool down that cocky punk Bregman a little bit.
KT
2019-11-22 23:11:22 +0000 UTCPut the hammer down on those punks. Scummiest organization in all of sports
KT
2019-11-22 23:08:41 +0000 UTCGreat work as always, Mike. I have one minor point . . . you wrote, "Suspending a manager for a year is unprecedented". Happy Chandler suspended Dodgers' manager Leo Durocher for the entire 1947 season for associating with gamblers.
Tom
2019-11-22 18:44:24 +0000 UTC"Any manager or executive or staffer who helped organize the cheating has to be banned" -- I agree 100%. If MLB wants to nip this sort of thing in the bud, they have to send an unmistakable message.
Brian James Freeman
2019-11-22 18:23:13 +0000 UTCI don't think Bird was about the money. It was about moving on from a player who hasn't been good or healthy in a while. I think the DFA happens even if he was pre-arb
Michael Axisa
2019-11-22 17:41:19 +0000 UTCI'm a bit torn. I was hoping they'd offer Didi the QO. That way they'd only be locked into one year and could assess him better post the TJS. Or they could do exactly what the White Sox just announced. Abreu took the QO, and then the White Sox negotiated a three year deal with a lower AAV. I understand Mike's point about having more depth, but it won't be as easy to move DJ around in 2020 unless the Yankees suffer another 1,000 injuries. Ok, maybe they didn't have a 1,000. Only felt like it. Yet. Andujar will be back, as will Stanton. The DH spot will be filled and that means they will regularly be sitting Didi, or Gleyber or Voit, or DJ, or Gio. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure there's going to be a point in 2020 when fans are going to be wishing Didi was still here. I haven't closed the door mentally on him returning. The Yankees could be playing a bit of cat and mouse with Didi trying to lower his price.
MikeD
2019-11-22 17:38:25 +0000 UTCI Agree. Shouldn't you also ban A.J. Hinch for life. He's the arrogant SOB who laughed off allegations whenever the team was accused. And, he has to be right in the middle of driving this. Also, assess huge fines to ex-players who drove this (Beltran, Cora, Others?). That way, you punish these players, but don't hurt the current teams they work for.
Lars MacDonald
2019-11-22 17:32:04 +0000 UTCWe agree. The Yankees do have a cap, no matter what Cash says. All high-revenue teams are managing to one of the luxury tax tiers. So it's possible Cashman is sort of telling the truth, meaning he has no set dollar cap...as long as he stays under the second tier of the luxury tax! Truthful yet opaque. As for Bird, I don't think it was so much about $1.3 million as it was about his value vs other players and what they could contribute. Voit and Ford have moved ahead of him, and there's only so many 1B/DH types a team can carry on the 40-man. They value the young arms more. I was hoping he'd go to AAA and show he's healthy and start raking. He doesn't have to hit against major league pitching for his trade value to go back up. He has to show he's healthy and can hit, even if it's in AAA. Not likely to happen now unless the two sides have some agreement.
MikeD
2019-11-22 17:28:13 +0000 UTCI would guess that's not the reason. In the past, the Yankees have agreed to terms with players and word of it has gotten to the press. They then wait to officially sign the player when a roster spot opens up.
Lars MacDonald
2019-11-22 17:26:47 +0000 UTCI hear all this but letting Bird go to avoid paying him $1.3 million tells me that every million counts despite Cash claiming he has no set cap. If they can squeeze Gardy for 1-2mm they will IMO.
I'm Not The Droids You're Looking For
2019-11-22 16:46:19 +0000 UTCTotally agree. I thought Mike laid out a great overall punishments scheme except for Luhnow. MF should be banned for life.
I'm Not The Droids You're Looking For
2019-11-22 16:45:16 +0000 UTCI'd fine the players rather than suspend them. That way it doesn't hurt a different team. However, if any player were found to have had a leadership role in the cheating then I would also suspend them, tough luck to the new team.
I'm Not The Droids You're Looking For
2019-11-22 16:44:44 +0000 UTCI kinda feel like Cora and Beltran need to pay some sort of penalty as well if they were as involved as it's been reported. I love Beltran, but guilty is guilty, and if he is he deserves something.
Tabasco_Larry
2019-11-22 16:06:03 +0000 UTCThey're just finalizing that Cole contract and that Jon Gray trade first, is all...
Chris
2019-11-22 15:47:54 +0000 UTCThat's very possible and a scenario that might make sense. It's possible they're looking to swing a trade to clear up a spot or two first before signing Gardy or anyone else.
Chris
2019-11-22 15:44:42 +0000 UTCThanks for answering my question. I agree with everything, except I think someone needs to get banned for life. This is worse than what the Braves did. Worse than what Pete Rose did. It's almost on par with the Black Sox, if only because at least the Astros were still trying to win. Any manager or executive or staffer who helped organize the cheating has to be banned I think. Also, how could anyone in the Astros dugout not know it was going on? It looks like the setup was right behind the dugout. Nobody was like, hey why is that guy sitting at the TV monitor back there banging on the trash can?
Rob Port
2019-11-22 15:35:11 +0000 UTCThe Yankees have a packed 40-man roster. They're going to need to make additional moves through trades (if not outright cuts) to eventually fit Gardner and others. In Gardner's case, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the two sides have verbally agreed to the parameters of a deal but won't put ink to paper (or the electronic version) until the Yankees can clear roster spots. I'm sure there's enough trust on both sides where it wouldn't be an issue. Not saying that's the case, but it's a possibility. As far as a contract goes, from Gardner's agent's point of view, they may be trying to negotiate off a compensation package of $9.5 million factoring in the buy-out of his option a year back. I'd be more inclined to slightly overpay on a one year deal than locking in on a two year deal. Gardner has aged well, but everyone loses this battle eventually.
MikeD
2019-11-22 15:27:44 +0000 UTCThe league would be well within its right to ban Luhnow for life, and that's exactly what it should do. Taking away two years worth of draft picks and international free agent signing pool money will hit them hard in the years to come but if the league wants to hand down a punishment that sends a loud and resounding message to all executives around the league right now, it will ban Luhnow.
Alex G
2019-11-22 15:10:55 +0000 UTCMikes suspension here is hefty and I love it. But also I would like to see some penalty for the players involved. Would be tough to do as many of the players are in different organizations now, so I don’t really have a good idea for how to punish them. But it seems light if they incur no penalty. Maybe fine them all for the amounts of their postseason shares? Seems disproportionate (would hurt a young player much more than Beltran) but it’s something.
Nick G
2019-11-22 15:00:09 +0000 UTCI generally am not a big supporter of Hal’s wallet. But if I’m the Steinbrenner family I’m going absolutely ape sh*t to Manfred’s office right now. The Yankees have every right to feel like the Astros stole an estimated $70M from them (that’s what been rumored as the value of a WS win). The dodgers less so, because they did still get their home gates during the WS, but also should be very angry. Not to mention all of the bandwagon Astros fans that have popped up would probably be Yankee fans creating future revenue for the team (that team was the most fun team I recall in my lifetime). The punishment has to be harsh.
Nick G
2019-11-22 14:55:43 +0000 UTCCould the reason that the Yankees haven't signed Gardner yet have to do with a full 40-man roster? Waiting gives them some time to try to work out a deal to clear up a spot, and like you say, there's reasons to believe that they won't lose him to another team.
Robert Swink
2019-11-22 14:33:46 +0000 UTCReading Mike's Astros punishment outline is cathartic
Big Davey88
2019-11-22 14:29:25 +0000 UTCTaking nothing away from what Didi means to any team, great D, first class human, a penchant for huge hits...I still don’t love the idea of his obp and the Yanks irresistible urge to hit him 3rd. As for Gardy, yeah, they’ll get him for less than $7.5 mil. If he does go elsewhere, they’ll sign Maybin for a few mil and still have Tauchman. Stash a vet in AAA for a few more bucks and Hal will be more than satisfied.
Mac
2019-11-22 14:25:51 +0000 UTC