Haikyuu!! 4x2 Reaction Extended (YT link below)
Added 2023-06-27 18:22:07 +0000 UTCIn Haikyuu 4x2, Lost, things you find in volleyball storage rooms: dusty flags, broken mops, Hinata's tears (and motivation?)
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Doesn't seem silly at all. I mean... not a day goes by when I don't think about SOME character from something I've watched. If I don't, it's probably not a great day haha
Alex G
2023-06-28 19:14:48 +0000 UTCThat adds a lot of great context to one of the characters with the most interesting and nuanced perspectives... much more fitting
Alex G
2023-06-28 19:13:39 +0000 UTCInteresting :) Solid evidence in the "he's not just bitter" column
Alex G
2023-06-28 19:12:33 +0000 UTCAs others have mentioned, it really is interesting seeing the different interpretations of Hinata's actions and other peoples' reactions to him
Alex G
2023-06-28 19:11:45 +0000 UTCThat's what's been so interesting for me about these first few episodes. There are so many things mixed in, it's hard to know the ratio. It's probably actually just a mix of all of it
Alex G
2023-06-28 19:10:58 +0000 UTCHappy for you. :) The line is great. It's a really delicate combination of sternness and inspiration. On the one hand, know your place and accept humility, but on the other, keep striving for the top because everyone's journey to the top started at the bottom, too.
Ryan
2023-06-28 18:45:10 +0000 UTCTakeda sensei's "He who climbs the ladder must begin at the bottom," changed my life. I watched haikyuu at a very important (read: impressionable) time in my life and I'm so grateful for it. It might seem silly to others but when I struggle or hesitate to do new things, I unironically think about Hinata and his commitment to get good. This quote summed up everything Haikyuu taught me and why it means so much to me.
Aanvik
2023-06-28 17:32:04 +0000 UTCWhile I do agree that sport is best seen as a model for realities of life, that's not how the old bitter coach sees it; in my opinion, he is a man who was beaten down in a sport that he had so much passion in to the point of dedicating his life as a coach, with time he was shown that volleyball is for the physical big and strong, smaller people like him don't stand a chance in the ring. After decades of hitting himself and others with the same "lesson" in volleyball that "you need to be big and tough" to survive, mixed with volleyball being his life dedication, his worldview is one shaped the same way. In a manner, he preaches what he believes and has nothing but contempt to poor Hinata; "I didn't survive, you won't either, so quit". I interpret his character as a tragic reminder of what happens when you: A) let a single mindset blind you to other views B) let the bastards drag you down :)
Ignacio Garcia
2023-06-28 02:03:38 +0000 UTCGreat comments above all around, and really enjoyed Goodwin's discussion. I learned a bunch from both. I'll just stick to 3 language nerd comments: 15:17 "But how tall is he?!" I like how Noya called him Manzawa. (His actual name is Hyakuzawa, which means "100 streams," but Noya called him "10000 streams." Even his name is bigger from Noya's perspective) 0:14 I don't like how they translated Takeda's criticism as "absolutely thoughtless." That's not really what he meant. He said there's a difference between "isshoukenmei & muteppou." The first means roughly doing something like your life depended on it. The second is literally a loose / unfixed cannon. Basically, Takeda-sensei said there's a difference between putting *yourself* on the line (which is admirable) and putting *other people* on the line on your behalf. 14:00 Yes, I agree that there is a cultural component of conformism here, but I think there's more to Takeda's speech there than chastising. I don't hear him saying that Hinata had to follow the steps proscribed for him by society or the team. I think Takeda was saying he was disappointed in Hinata because he tried to skip steps that Hinata himself knew he needed to take. Hinata crashed the training camp looking for a shortcut. To me, Takeda's speech, more than asking for conformity, was asking for self-honesty.
Ryan
2023-06-28 00:59:34 +0000 UTCThere’s definitely a strength in both modes, and I think we can all draw inspiration from both.
Tope
2023-06-28 00:59:01 +0000 UTCAfter rewatching the series with you, I thought of something. The coach of Shiratorizawa was the most vocal in the match towards their future ace on the team, and the team mates pointed out that he expected the most out of him, that was the reason he was yelling at him. So him showing the same interest for Hinata, even though it seems abit malicious, I can't help to wonder if he dosen't have those same feelings towards Hinata on some level.
tinyviking
2023-06-27 23:36:38 +0000 UTCThe old coach’s goal is not just to win with overwhelming power. It’s mentioned at some point in the last season but his goal is to find star players and push them as far as they can possibly go individually, so that they have the talent to continue after high school and make this an actual career. Imo Karasuno is actually the team that’s more focused on winning here and now. But I think it’s aligned more correctly than that sounds because all of the team members take that winning goal as motivation to become the best they can be individually AND come together as a team as well as they do now
Sunny
2023-06-27 23:05:46 +0000 UTCI would say that hinata has some arrogance to him, I woulnd't say he is doing it maliciously but he is acting kinda entitled. The reality is that he isn't a particuarly skilled player(but like goodwin says very athletic) who constantly wants the spotlight and that is pretty much arrogance in my book. It works because he is hard working and constantly looking to get better but if he was on any other team he would be on the bench for at least a year before getting to be the star player so complaining that he isn't included in the best players in the country(or prefecture) is a stretch in my book. Maybe im biased from playing on sports teams where there is always the player that wants to start even tho they are not the best and will feel some type of way when they dont get exactly what they want. I still root for Hinata obviously but i can't say that the critisim this episode didn't fit. "To climb the ladder you must start on the first rung"
Scoola
2023-06-27 21:16:47 +0000 UTCI think the line of “starting from the bottom rung” has a lot of importance. While in some ways, Hinata started from a rung lower than anyone else, in other ways, it can seem like he skipped a few rungs when he started. He was pretty much put on the team for his use of the quick and did not have that much skill, so many may see him almost as a freeloader. Ushiwaka was irritated by Hinata during that match because it seems like he’s all bravado without being backed up by skill, and some of the players probably look at Hinata crashing the practice as extremely arrogant. As for whether Washijo wants Hinata to succeed or fail, I would say neither at this point. Washijo is putting him through the wringer knowing full well that he could break and quit volleyball forever, and I don’t think he would lose sleep over that. He sees Hinata with all of this bravado without the skill to back it up and immediately tried to humble him as brutally as humanly possible. Hinata isn’t truly arrogant, as he understands his level of skill and abilities, but other people think so. As we see from him, Washijo is very results oriented, so I think that is his approach to Hinata, if he breaks, then his drive was all bravado and he doesn’t belong on the court, if he doesn’t, then maybe there’s something special about him after all. Whatever you think of Washijo, Hinata chose to be here, Washijo didn’t call him. And it is up to Hinata as to whether he stays.
Chris Sharpe
2023-06-27 20:43:02 +0000 UTCAh yeah, that makes more sense now in context of an episode in which Hinata is exploring his blind spots
Alex G
2023-06-27 19:48:44 +0000 UTCMy favourite part of this arc is quite genuinely people's interpretations of what the characters have to say to Hinata, and also people's predictions of Hinata's trajectory this arc. And it was great to hear yours. I would love to hear your updated thoughts on the same after you're done with this arc. Having watched this show multiple times now, I tend to have a very optimistic view of the characters, so Tsukki's and Kageyama's seemingly harsh comments to Hinata for me felt like a motivating challenge to him, devoid of any pity since they see him as their equals/rivals. And they naturally lack tact, so i would like to think it's not them rubbing it in his face but rather expecting him to catch up to them. Coming to Coach Ukai, I love what he said to Hinata and how it'll take shape during this arc- "Dont underestimate what it takes to be a ball boy" And Ushiwaka as you said is the most intimidating of them all so what he said, though not malicious and just a genuine question to ponder about, stings the most. But it's also a good starting point for Hinata to actually start thinking about why he's there- What are you even doing? Tanaka being the best senpai and reassuring Hinata with the big brother back pat is something that really warms my heart, even though he managed to slip in a little friendly insult. And Nishinoya continuing to be the chaos to break up the tension and anxiety. Lastly, Coach Washijo is quite possibly the most "open to interpretation" character ever that we could write a dissertation on him. My thoughts on him have really softened overtime but you can really build his character favourably/sympathetically or unfavourably/unsympathetically and it'll still make sense and I really like that about him. I personally think he's equal parts jealous, bitter and equal parts curious about Hinata and hence he's testing Hinata's resolve through denying him the chance to play just like he was denied, to see if hinata will break like he did. Also, glad you caught onto the 2m guy. I mean how could you forget? We still need to know- how tall is he really?!
Bighead
2023-06-27 19:48:03 +0000 UTCIt's so interesting to think about. I can so distinctly feel the difference between the two modes of thinking. To be honest, the Ushiwaka school of thought is a little intimidating to me, because it's so different but also because I recognize a strength in it that I feel I don't always have access to. But, then again some of my experiences that I value the most have come from some very unorthodox moves, and I also know there's a strength sometimes in being able to step outside of convention (and another strength in being able to stomach embarrassment).
Alex G
2023-06-27 19:47:44 +0000 UTCAlso, about that point at 21:54, they technically have been limiting Hinata to a specific role. He's a beast of a decoy because of his innate physical prowess, and he's a scoring cannon, but that's all he gets the chance to play as, and practice for. If you recall in previous games, you've mentioned how Hinata was quieter during certain sets, or how he wasn't a big part of some plays, that's more or less by design. Karasuno relys on Hinata to score, so he didn't get a chance to hone the skills necessary to be part of complex and difficult defensive plays. He's effectively been boxed in previously, but now because he can't play, he is being blasted with his own limitations. Think of Kageyama for example, he is effectively what Hinata wants to be. Put Kageyama anywhere and he'll excel, but we can't say that about Hinata yet, and that's a problem. The best of the best (the group that Hinata wants to be a part of) can do everything Hinata can, as well as the things he can't. Hopefully, he can identify his shortcomings here and begin to work on dealing with them.
Alter Nate
2023-06-27 19:27:46 +0000 UTCI have to admit, I reacted very similarly to the other characters when watching this season for the first time. But I realize that it really stems from my own personal perspective as a very traditional, by-the-book type of person. Like I was shocked to hear your story about your unique college admissions process because it was so antithetical to my experience (I was the one taking bi-weekly SAT classes and doing practice exams every weekend for months 🥲), but it also made sense specifically for you as a person.Hinata is not a traditional volleyball player, so if he tried to only stick with traditional, standard pathways for volleyball development, he will likely not see the level of success he’s destined to. Kinda reminds me of Aang in that despite the suggestions of past four Avatars to kill Ozai, he was bold enough to go against it.
Tope
2023-06-27 19:24:41 +0000 UTCNo joke though, that's some serious high level thinking. That's the kind of dedication that you'd think even someone Ushiwaka's caliber would appreciate if he knew
Alex G
2023-06-27 19:18:34 +0000 UTCCan't wait for Kageyama. I suspect it's going to be a nice compliment and parallel to what Hinata is going through, though he wouldn't guess it
Alex G
2023-06-27 19:17:48 +0000 UTCHinata in a nutshell - “What can I do to fundamentally change how I perceive playing volleyball and build everything back from the ground up?”
bl0odm1st
2023-06-27 19:14:41 +0000 UTCthis arc for hinata is just so incredible. Every time I watch it I feel so bad for the boy because everyone’s just rubbing it into his face that he sucks at something he’s so passionate about—and the way they show his growth throughout the season is so stellar, his drive to be better and his dedication to volleyball is so big that he even tries to “change the way he thinks” to improve and that is NOT EASY when most people around you are giving you the cold shoulder lol. I’m so excited to continue this with you, especially for Kageyama’s scenes as well cos they’re also my favorite parts. So hyped
Mima
2023-06-27 19:09:06 +0000 UTCWe know Hinata is a stellar athlete and great scorer, but he lacks a lot of fundamentals: serving, receiving, getting in digs, defending, to name a few. He's gotten this far on the merits of his team and Kageyama bringing the best out of his natural abilities, but as everyone has been saying, he needs to be able to showcase his skills himself without relying on others as sort of a crutch. Funnily enough, being a ball boy might just teach him what he can't see being in the middle of the games. The proper way for Hinata to internalize this is not, "what can I do to play," but rather "what can I get out of the situation I put myself in." There is a lot of merit in watching others play, and this might be Hinata's chance to slow down and think about his play style.
Alter Nate
2023-06-27 19:03:27 +0000 UTCGod this is one of my favorite arcs in the story. (I say as this is just my favorite anime overall.) I feel like we haven't seen a lot of hinata specific focus despite him being the main character of the story so it's really nice to see some of that individual development that we haven't seen since early season 2. I think the coach of Shiratorizawa has a really weird mindset but to look at it glass half full I think he's so harsh towards hinata for several reasons and it mainly stems from him probably seeing himself in Hinata.I choose to believe he almost wants to show him he can't do it do avoid him despairing in the future when his height and ability hard blocks him from success. But also he could be incredibly harsh to him because he knows he can't take a traditional approach to success with him being as small as he is.
Skyler Anderson
2023-06-27 18:43:25 +0000 UTC
