PATRON TAKES - Star Trek TNG - Season 3 Episode 11
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The episode with the most exciting “walking through corridors” chase sequence. Seriously Worf, pick up the pace there buddy! No wonder why shit goes down on this ship every week! BTW: this is the infamous “sugar lift” episode. IYKYK
Column Meanie
2024-05-23 14:21:42 +0000 UTCI love everything about this episode - the Enterprise has to use tactics and wit instead of technology. Troi gets some truly great scenes that USE here character. (plus O'Brien yelling "More security!" cracks me up every time).
Kyle Stewart
2024-05-22 16:38:30 +0000 UTCThe most memorable moment of the episode is definitely that one Geordi scene on Engineering. LeVar Burton probably got two episodes in a row this season upon yelling "DOUBLE IT" to the producers. What is your favorite Geordi/Levar moment or line so far?
dkenobi
2024-05-22 01:55:02 +0000 UTCI just watched another video that estimated that the Enterprise D has about ten times the habitable volume of a modern aircraft carrier but the aircraft carrier has six times the number of crew persons. The Enterprise is a relative ghost town. Which makes it completely realistic when they show people wandering down corridors by themselves with no one else in sight.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-05-21 17:04:16 +0000 UTCAh fun episode with a good message and I always liked the ending. Not amongst the great episodes of s3 but never dull
Darren Seal
2024-05-21 08:50:36 +0000 UTCA relative low point for the season, but I like this one - don't get me wrong, it fails to make sense on multiple levels: How is this guy basically magic? Why has the Federation seemingly not done any recon on a planet they're considering for membership? And so on. The script needed a few more passes. But despite all that, the character interactions (and some nostalgia as this was one of the episodes my dad had when I was a kid) save it for me.
awktopus
2024-05-21 01:58:42 +0000 UTCWas I the only one who had a problem with the idea that Roga seemed to have too good an understanding of Federation technology, which was presumably far more advanced than that of a culture applying for Federation membership? The conclusion was great because, as others have pointed out, it made excellent use of the Prime Directive but it wasn't enough to salvage the episode for me.
Nick Sauer
2024-05-20 23:31:17 +0000 UTCIn fact he has a nonviolent personality! “More security I need more security!”
Phil Ken Sebben
2024-05-20 18:19:53 +0000 UTCThis isn't a bad episode at all it's just not a very good one. It seems to me that they must have needed a script because this one I believe would have benefited from another once over. It's got all the parts for an excellent excellent story it just doesn't gel for me.
harrypothead42024
2024-05-20 18:10:23 +0000 UTCFourth. The actor who played Chorgan was a corrupt cop in RoboCop 2
JGoss
2024-05-20 17:10:40 +0000 UTCI think you're going to like this episode. It's inspired by stories of soldiers coming home from the Vietnam war only to find that their own country seems to have abandoned them. It's Rambo-esque in many ways. I like this one a lot.
Jack Shipley
2024-05-20 16:54:03 +0000 UTCI love this non-evil version of Khan
Jiri Luza
2024-05-20 14:01:46 +0000 UTCSomething to keep in mind - at the time it was filmed, the last major US military action was Vietnam, and this episode was made in reflection of how the veterans of that war were treated. I'm not saying post-action mental care for veterans is good now - but I think that in general society doesn't treat returning vets as criminals, the way many Vietnam vets were made to feel.
Jeffrey
2024-05-20 13:53:05 +0000 UTCit's alright. I think the guest character is overpowered as fuck but at least his backstory is interesting. Personally I don't really know that you will like this.
Captain Proton
2024-05-20 13:45:36 +0000 UTCJohn Rambo comes to Star Trek
Justin DiBari
2024-05-20 13:26:05 +0000 UTCThe way his body has been altered to become undetectable by sensors is new ground and it gives them a good amount of leeway.
Jovet
2024-05-20 13:16:31 +0000 UTCFinally, an episode where the crew actually follows the Prime Directive! When I was younger, this episode completely went over my head. Now that I can appreciate what it's about, I like it. But I only LIKE it. There are far better episodes this season and this one unfortunately, is ultimately forgettable.
BN13
2024-05-20 12:22:06 +0000 UTCWe have our third Robocop bad guy actor connection this season. This guy played the the OCP lawyer in Robocop 2 and we had the drug lord kid in The Bonding and the crazy guy in Who Watchers who was a Boddicker goon.
EnigmaticPenguin
2024-05-20 12:06:26 +0000 UTCGood solid episode. Not great but definitely not bad.
Greg Quinn
2024-05-20 09:14:09 +0000 UTCOkay, I think you guys will like this episode but not love it. The guest performance by Jeff McCarthy comes across a bit flat to me, but that may be a symptom of the character's PTSD. The ending though...whew. I think Picard toes the line with the Prime Directive here, but it honestly feels like just desserts for the Angosian government. Interested to hear your guys' thoughts on that.
Paul O'Neal
2024-05-20 08:14:50 +0000 UTCPicard applied the Prime Directive as a solution in Symbiosis as well.
JGoss
2024-05-20 07:43:50 +0000 UTCSince this episodes features a plot point of a prisoner escaping and going loose on the Enterprise, this might be a good time to think about the scale of the TNG Enterprise. Kirk’s Enterprise had a regular crew complement of a little under 450 people. Picard’s Enterprise has a regular complement of crew and civilians of around 1,000 people. But in terms of overall size, Picard’s Enterprise is gigantic compared to Kirk’s, twice as long and high, and four times as wide. In an emergency, it could pack in something like 15 thousand refugees, along with all the food, water, equipment, and other necessary material. So that means in everyday situations, huge portions of the Enterprise are completely devoid of regular crew activity. The fact that when we look into corridors, you routinely see people walking around suggests that most of the time, everyone sticks to a very small number of specific areas in the ship. That means if someone gets loose on Picard’s Enterprise, they could presumably hide out for quite a while, if he or she sticks to ventilation shafts, service corridors, and the like.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-05-20 04:44:31 +0000 UTCI honestly used to get this episode and the next episode mixed up. Solid action sequences though.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-05-20 04:37:47 +0000 UTCYeah I get you, like there's definitely continuity stuff. There's things I can't discuss here for fear of minor spoilers but I was thinking more the technical capabilities of the ship than the tactics of the officers.
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-05-20 04:32:07 +0000 UTCI like that this is the first time the Prime Directive is the solution and not just the problem.
Jeffrey P
2024-05-20 04:25:41 +0000 UTCIf you're Picard, how do you not fire every single yellow shirt on the ship after that?
bab
2024-05-20 04:21:25 +0000 UTCI think this is a solid episode, but it's definitely one that lives or dies by the guest star's performance, and ever since your rather extreme reaction to Dr. Stubbs, I'm not sure I want to try to predict which guest stars you'll like or dislike! Some people complain that the ending of this episode is a cop out, since we don't actually see what happens once our crew beam away. But in my opinion, the implication we're supposed to draw is clear: that the government is going to have to take serious action now. I don't think we need to see the results spelled out for us.
Steven Linden
2024-05-20 04:03:21 +0000 UTCI always liked this episode. Actually I had missed this episode for years and years and only first saw it when I bought the DVDs. This makes this the last "new" episode of TNG I ever saw. And I thought it was great!
Alexander McKechnie
2024-05-20 03:42:52 +0000 UTCThis is another one of the episodes that I enjoy... if I don't think too hard about it. There are a number of lore-breaking items in this, not the least of which was a man who was somehow able to break out of a transporter pattern while he was being transported. I think it depends on how you're feeling. If you're just along for the ride, this is a good episode (and Troi exists in the first half of the episode, though she reverts to her usual furniture in the second half) but if you look at it analytically, you'll discover a number of holes. I think you'll find it fun in the moment, but I don't know if you'll like it as an episode after the fact.
John
2024-05-20 03:12:46 +0000 UTCI feel that is totally believable. The federation, honestly, are terrible at war tactics. The crews let's themselves be defeated far too often in the universe when it real life it'd be easy to defeat the people. For example, in this one, transport him straight to a replicated titanium cage with thick bars and set a force field up around that. Then he never would have escaped. Don't let him out, transport the cage to a shuttlecraft or site to site him to a cage on the shuttlecraft. I don't understand anytime in star trek if someone boards the ship, they could simply transport them to a cage, into space, or off the ship. If transporters are down, then use the ones in one of the shuttle crafts to do so. Warf gets his butt kicked in like half the episodes and he is supposed to be this great warrior. Because of the lack of fighting needed, the federation as a whole can't do it. Tasha was an exception because of where she grew up. The rest of them seem to be easily defeated at any time by being overpowered or by them being horrible tacticians.
Eric Wilson
2024-05-20 03:00:03 +0000 UTCThe first mention of the Jefferies Tube (named for Matt Jefferies) - a mainstay of Trek going forward. Though they look nothing like they do here going forward.
JGoss
2024-05-20 02:55:13 +0000 UTCSeason 3 episodes range from OK, good, and freaking amazing. This one is somewhere between OK and good.
JGoss
2024-05-20 02:36:54 +0000 UTCMore Security! Well, Obrien, ya tried your best. Pretty good action-packed episode with the crew basically saying: "welp, frak y'all, good luck byeeee!"
Nolan
2024-05-20 02:34:48 +0000 UTCi always enjoyed this episode....it always cracks me up how Worf peaks his head out of the turbolift....but I always thought that this episode was part of the culture at the time where many people were realizing just how bad Vietnam Vets were unfairly mistreated when they came home after the war. It was pretty bad. I've wondered if the writers were vets or had friends or relatives who were. This episode is like an apology to them.
Monty Crawford
2024-05-20 02:30:49 +0000 UTCI always enjoyed this one, but in hindsight, Danar seems kinda OP. I get that he’s a super-soldier, but they really play it up a little too much. (Being able to redirect himself out of a transporter beam pushes him over the top, I think.) Still, a fun episode.
tyranusfan
2024-05-20 02:28:54 +0000 UTCThis episode is a poignant reminder that your "internal affairs" do, in fact, affect other people.
Evan Guthrie
2024-05-20 02:28:01 +0000 UTCOk here's the deal - I dislike this episode. But I think you guys might like it. It's actually quite popular and for good reason. Lots of action, clever plot turns. A neat resolution and the sort of protect your vets moral to the story. My issues are mostly that it's hard to suspend my disbelief that a single rogue could run amok in the flagship of the Federation. I also find the actor a bit bland. But it is a thrill ride and not too heavy on the sci-fi. Fingers crossed you'll have fun with this!
Trouty McTroutTrout
2024-05-20 02:26:32 +0000 UTCWhile I personally think this episode is extraordinary, mostly because of the characters, I want to take a guess that you'll think it's okay. Which is fine, because it's not really the best episode, but there's a lot of good in it. But Picard at the end is the GOAT.
wildhunt1973
2024-05-20 02:26:03 +0000 UTCThis episode isn't exactly winning any awards, but I do really like the extended chase/ cat and mouse sequence.
THE LORE!!!
2024-05-20 02:24:26 +0000 UTCMy first thought when I watch this is always "That'll do, pig."
Michael Schwarz
2024-05-20 02:23:59 +0000 UTC
