Target Audience / UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TNG S2E13

What's really confusing is they change the stardate system every 26.33333 months. 🙄

Jovet

2024-07-13 10:08:44 +0000 UTC

This has always been a bit of an odd episode to me. Not bad, just strange, with Picard killing "himself" being the most memorable part of it. What I find strange is that even though you were joking about "season 1 Picard", it really does feel like it's early S1 Picard. The insecurities, the frailty of the future Picard, and just that he's kind of a hard ass like he used to be. Maybe this was Picard's "let the past die, kill it if you have to" moment, shooting the weaker, cowardly, self centered version of himself(though it's his future self, not past), so the more developed character we've come to know can thrive? Yeah, I'm overthinking it for sure. Either way, Picard does feel like the clock got turned back on the character to early S1 for a lot of the episode, and yet otherwise it does feel like a S2 episode in terms of the production quality. So it kind of makes the episode feel like it's of 2 different times, which is fitting. It's not a favourite of mine, but it's a competent episode with some interesting moments.

Timothy Nikiforovs

2024-07-13 08:44:10 +0000 UTC

Everyone knows all the important shit happens in late December and early January😁

Timothy Nikiforovs

2024-07-13 02:43:35 +0000 UTC

Not exactly. There are 1000 stardates per Earth year, so a pinch under 2.75 per day. Each individual stardate is just under 9 hours. Kind of confusing, and I doubt many people know the current stardate without checking a computer.

Timothy Nikiforovs

2024-07-13 02:41:45 +0000 UTC

Absolutely phenomenal episode in my opinion, but then I'm an absolute sucker for time travel shenanigans.

Incredible Jon

2024-03-10 21:52:15 +0000 UTC

Some say every eventuality for us is played out in every realm, a future episode enhances on this BIG TIME. Having watched this again with you guys, I love this complex episode - gets you out of your skin and realise there is much more to space and time (if it exists) than just our own "reality" :)

Andrew Bassey

2024-03-10 14:05:02 +0000 UTC

Your comment made me think of "Will you close the fucking door!" And it made me wish Cameron Mitchell had been in Star Trek. Mike from RLM would cream his pants lol.

Clyde Frog

2024-03-06 04:20:23 +0000 UTC

I agree, once she gets past her "Data is an unthinking android! Argle blargle!" stage, I kindof like her. I think for our TA guys, Pulaski came in with the deck stacked against her already. Once I heard the comment that Doctor Crusher was their favorite member of the crew, I groaned and thought "well okay, they replaced her with Pulaski, she'll REALLY have to work hard to overcome that, then." There are some quite decent Pulaski moments coming up this season. SPOILER ALERT FOR EPISODE TITLES ONLY Just adding that there in case the episode titles are spoilers and our good reactors would want to avoid it, but they go in blind now anyway, so I don't think these are really much of a spoiler. She's good in Peak Performance, good enough in Shades of Grey (lol), and I liked her in Samaritan Snare too. I guess I always WANTED to like her more than I did. Something about the way she goes about things.. I just like her as a foil to the crew. Too bad Diana Muldaur did not get along with the cast and crew..

Ian Westcott

2024-03-05 22:25:44 +0000 UTC

O’Brien: Haven’t you people ever heard of closing the damn door? It’s much better to face these kinds of things with a sense of poise and rationality.

Philbot

2024-03-03 22:56:47 +0000 UTC

Yeah, best I can tell Muldar was retired for a while. Then she was on TNG. After TNG, she went to LA LAW where they capitalized on the actresses ability to be unlikable and created a lawyer the world LOVED to hate. When she was written out it was always planned and wasn't anything to do with the actress. It was meant as a vindication against the character being so terrible. The writers knew the audience needed some catharsis for her being the "heel" of the season, so they killed her off in the most "realistic"-but-brutal fashion. She arrogantly strut to the elevator, all the while trolling everyone about beating them, gave a final smiled insult as the door the elevator opened, and without looking to see if the elevator was actually there, she stepped off into an elevator shaft and fell 20 stories to her death. It was newsworthy at the time LOL

StonyD

2024-03-03 15:38:43 +0000 UTC

There are 120+ episodes of this show left. You will have to remind us once we get there LOL!

StonyD

2024-03-03 15:33:30 +0000 UTC

Troi is royalty on her planet. It wouldn't be hard to think nepotism got her the actual rank, while her skills and training make her a Counselor.

StonyD

2024-03-03 15:31:33 +0000 UTC

The one word I really learned from TNG is something Picard says... in a future episode. :grin:

Jovet

2024-03-03 04:36:20 +0000 UTC

Dude - I remember Worf or Riker saying the word "reconnoiter" once and just being like.. what the hell? That's a word? And this was after having seen the episode in question probably 5 times by then and this was the first time I ever noticed it? Was a weird experience, lol, but I learned a new word! And afterwards, I even heard it a few times in other stuff. I guess sometimes words I don't know just go in one ear and out the other, and other times I notice it and my brain decides to absorb it. 🤷🏻‍♀️ If any of that makes sense.

Lady Beyond The Wall

2024-03-02 19:03:57 +0000 UTC

I don’t know.. Troi graduated from the Acadamy, and as Marina Sirtis joked, must have been getting her nails done during some very basic instruction.

Glenn Johnson Barnes

2024-03-01 01:41:55 +0000 UTC

There is a story about her appearing on LA law prior to being on TNG and that they were so mad when she left the show to join TNG That wrote her out of the show by dropping her character down an elevator shaft However, this is not true as the episode of LA law she met her demise in was called “Good to the last drop”. And was aired on march 21st 19991 After her time on TNG. Diana Mauldaur is quite an accomplished actor. She has sold many characters. The

Thicketdweller

2024-03-01 00:42:06 +0000 UTC

I find it funny you guys seem to dislike Pulaski more with each subsequent episode, while I find her improving as a character as it goes.

JGoss

2024-02-29 23:12:58 +0000 UTC

The fact that the Picard from the future is the one who attempts to leave again makes it's a paradoxical loop. This Picard has no apparent origin.

JGoss

2024-02-29 22:08:01 +0000 UTC

If you think you're old, I still don't remember them even talking about this... need to re-watch...

Jovet

2024-02-29 22:05:09 +0000 UTC

It "could" have been... but I see that as very unlikely. Our Picard wanted to try "the other option" but wanted to confer with Future Picard what that option was... because he wanted to be sure before trying it. Future Picard was being tight-lipped, so our Picard just did it anyways—shot Future Picard, turned the ship into the vortex, and floored it.

Jovet

2024-02-29 22:04:03 +0000 UTC

Agreed! I genuinely LOVE watching them watch episodes. Their reactions are honest and sometimes unexpected! But it's okay if they're expected, too. And it's okay if they're just flat-out wrong, which they sometimes are. 😀

Jovet

2024-02-29 22:02:18 +0000 UTC

"never gonna watch those episodes again.." that remark will age like milk ;)

valen

2024-02-29 22:01:10 +0000 UTC

That line of Pulaski's REALLY made my eyes roll!! Ugh—that hurt.

Jovet

2024-02-29 22:00:11 +0000 UTC

In addition to Manheim being mentioned, The Traveler from 'Where No One Has Gone Before' was mentioned as well

James Bottas

2024-02-29 21:41:05 +0000 UTC

This episode holds my interest, but Trek has and will tell better time travel stories.

Glenn Johnson Barnes

2024-02-29 21:38:09 +0000 UTC

how very convenient 😉

Ee'char

2024-02-29 21:36:16 +0000 UTC

And the beginning and end of years always just happen to coincide with the beginning and end of seasons.

JGoss

2024-02-29 21:19:14 +0000 UTC

"Facsimile? I've never heard of that word" Good lord, I know I'm getting older, but you really don't need to keep rubbing it in!

JGoss

2024-02-29 21:17:26 +0000 UTC

42xxx for TNG Season 2, 43xxx for TNG season 3, etc. But the dates then continue based on that, even without TNG.

Joe Concepts

2024-02-29 20:58:34 +0000 UTC

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Greg Quinn

2024-02-29 20:54:30 +0000 UTC

Manheim was the guy who was doing the time experiments...the one married to Picard's ex whom he had ghosted.

Greg Quinn

2024-02-29 20:53:57 +0000 UTC

I think it was a prop issue/miss rather than an actor skill thing. Making an omlette is far more involved and the scene was so quick. The "finished product" they were eating was prop not paying attention to the detail imo

StonyD

2024-02-29 20:52:44 +0000 UTC

Accurate.

StonyD

2024-02-29 20:50:54 +0000 UTC

"Oh this is Season One Picard..." LMFAO!! Love it.

StonyD

2024-02-29 20:49:52 +0000 UTC

RE: Facsimile - Alex, you are me the first time I watched TNG. I was 17 when TNG started and learned a HUGE amount of my vocabulary from seven years of these scripts. Soak it up, baby! It's a free "education" (or at least that's how I look at it)

StonyD

2024-02-29 20:49:34 +0000 UTC

I like that they gave Worf something "sciencie" to say...the twist in time thing. Usually Worf doesn't get any smart lines. But the guy graduated from Star Fleet. Near as I can gather anyone who graduated from Star Fleet should know almost as much physics as a modern college PhD Professor physicist.

Greg Quinn

2024-02-29 20:41:33 +0000 UTC

The fact that the dead Picard disappeared at the end along with the shuttle craft from his time suggests that the dead Picard was the one who was apart of that time line which now, essentially didn't happen.

Greg Quinn

2024-02-29 20:12:07 +0000 UTC

you asked about Mr. Manheim i'm sure you remember him from the first season

Narnman

2024-02-29 19:57:08 +0000 UTC

It never occurred to me before, but, could it have been the original Picard who died and the now synchronized duplicate who rushed to the bridge to implement the alternate plan, a plan the original did not know about. Something to think about.

Mark Chrisco

2024-02-29 19:54:17 +0000 UTC

I hope you're not taking people's opinions differing from yours as pushback; personally a huge draw of your reviews is that I never know what's going to land well with you. Keep it coming, gents!

badvertised

2024-02-29 19:30:44 +0000 UTC

Maybe the episode works better than I always thought. My frustration with it never quite amounting to a full, realised story might be the result of the cast & crew intending me to experience a similar confused state to future Picard.

Numinous2019

2024-02-29 18:46:34 +0000 UTC

Working title: “Time to the Second” (which means the same thing as “Time Squared”). Since Alex and Josh have presumably already seen “The Icarus Factor,” this is not a spoiler: in the cold open, it is interesting that Pulaski is off-camera when she delivers the line, “Oh, your father liked to cook?” The line is present in the revised final draft script, but I still wonder if it was added in post-production to foreshadow the next episode. Temporal scientist Paul Manheim was the husband of Picard’s old flame in “We’ll Always Have Paris.” Picard and his future self (whom the script calls “P2”) have a conversation while walking side by side down the same corridor where Data and Lore did so in “Datalore.” I have seen fans online query whether Picard kills P2 or merely stuns him. It seems clear to me that the shot is fatal from the dramatic emphasis given to it by the score and direction; moreover, after scanning P2 with her tricorder, Pulaski takes no further action and leaves the shuttlebay. The revised final draft script includes a tag scene bookending the opening scene with Riker cooking: to “make amends” for the omelet, Riker makes his friends Alaskan stew (another link to the following episode), which they all love except for Worf. Not much else to say about this excellent but straightforward and focused episode, except that a young writer named Ronald D. Moore visited the TNG set during the episode’s production and gave a spec script he had written to Gene Roddenberry’s assistant, Richard Arnold. This would prove to be a pivotal event in the history of American science fiction television.

Anthony Bernacchi

2024-02-29 18:25:35 +0000 UTC

I really miss most shows having 20+ episode seasons. While yeah there was a lot of room for filler episodes and stuff, I really liked having much more time with the characters than in shows that have just 10 episodes or something now. I feel like you got to know characters a lot more intimately with longer seasons, even if some of the episodes sucked a bit.

Lady Beyond The Wall

2024-02-29 17:52:12 +0000 UTC

I mean, it never bothered me honestly. I just understood it as, his heart beat was good. It wasn't weak. But that the timing of the pulse itself wasn't quite correct. I can see others finding it an annoying comment though I suppose.

Lady Beyond The Wall

2024-02-29 17:49:14 +0000 UTC

Good point

Collin Freeman

2024-02-29 17:35:37 +0000 UTC

When you think about how TV shows were made, especially back then, with all the characters to balance, the effects to complete, the budget to worry about, and doing it week in and out for 26 episodes per season, it's not so much that TNG had some dud episodes as it is that they had so many good ones.

tyranusfan

2024-02-29 17:25:15 +0000 UTC

Watch out for space gas!!

Jovet

2024-02-29 17:25:01 +0000 UTC

It's not completely absurd. The heart is the main driver of blood circulation but it isn't the only one. Arteries contract in rhythm to help push blood, too, and if your "clock" is messed up like his was, that rhythm could easily be off.

Jovet

2024-02-29 17:21:21 +0000 UTC

Your video.

Jovet

2024-02-29 17:19:18 +0000 UTC

47:05 It's not explained. Which is a good thing! It's subtly implied that the "vortex entity" somehow did it.

Jovet

2024-02-29 17:16:52 +0000 UTC

Facsimile = Fax

Collin Freeman

2024-02-29 16:53:09 +0000 UTC

The Geordi and Data scenes in the shuttlepod are way too long. They could have done that with a couple lines of off-screen dialog and given us something more interesting to watch.

Collin Freeman

2024-02-29 16:51:50 +0000 UTC

Stardates! the first 2 digits are the year (42xxx being the year 2365). This convention was carried on through DS9 and Voyager.

Ee'char

2024-02-29 16:48:51 +0000 UTC

That part has ALWAYS bugged the hell out of me. 😂 Like.. just change the script to say scrambled eggs! I assume they do some sort of rehearsal, so maybe he was able to make the omelette then but when it came time to film he got stage fright or something? lol

Lady Beyond The Wall

2024-02-29 16:48:46 +0000 UTC

17:38 Stardates indicate the date by the whole number. Each day is its own number. Fractional pieces indicate the time, with 0.5 being the equivalent of noon.

Jovet

2024-02-29 16:47:50 +0000 UTC

Pulaski's comment about future Picard's heartbeat being fine but his pulse is erratic is absurd. From a medical exam perspective, they are the same thing. Bad dialog moment.

Collin Freeman

2024-02-29 16:45:49 +0000 UTC

I never know if these time codes are for the video or the episode

Josh (Target Audience)

2024-02-29 16:40:08 +0000 UTC

I wonder if the script called for Riker to make omelettes but given Jonathan Frakes' skills, he could only come up with scrambled eggs.

Collin Freeman

2024-02-29 16:37:58 +0000 UTC

It's time! This week has seriously flown by, pretty sure I didn't fall into a space anus but I could be wrong

SinocTheHodgeheg

2024-02-29 16:34:43 +0000 UTC

3:10 Definitely the plot of the next episode should not come up....

Jovet

2024-02-29 16:32:40 +0000 UTC

"Matter of Honor" is in my top-20. "Measure of a Man" is in my top-10.

Jovet

2024-02-29 16:30:34 +0000 UTC

UNCUT REACTION - Star Trek TNG S2E13 - Time Squared

Comments

What's really confusing is they change the stardate system every 26.33333 months. 🙄

Everyone knows all the important shit happens in late December and early January😁

Not exactly. There are 1000 stardates per Earth year, so a pinch under 2.75 per day. Each individual stardate is just under 9 hours. Kind of confusing, and I doubt many people know the current stardate without checking a computer.

Absolutely phenomenal episode in my opinion, but then I'm an absolute sucker for time travel shenanigans.

Some say every eventuality for us is played out in every realm, a future episode enhances on this BIG TIME. Having watched this again with you guys, I love this complex episode - gets you out of your skin and realise there is much more to space and time (if it exists) than just our own "reality" :)

Your comment made me think of "Will you close the fucking door!" And it made me wish Cameron Mitchell had been in Star Trek. Mike from RLM would cream his pants lol.

O’Brien: Haven’t you people ever heard of closing the damn door? It’s much better to face these kinds of things with a sense of poise and rationality.

There are 120+ episodes of this show left. You will have to remind us once we get there LOL!

Troi is royalty on her planet. It wouldn't be hard to think nepotism got her the actual rank, while her skills and training make her a Counselor.

The one word I really learned from TNG is something Picard says... in a future episode. :grin:

I don’t know.. Troi graduated from the Acadamy, and as Marina Sirtis joked, must have been getting her nails done during some very basic instruction.

I find it funny you guys seem to dislike Pulaski more with each subsequent episode, while I find her improving as a character as it goes.

The fact that the Picard from the future is the one who attempts to leave again makes it's a paradoxical loop. This Picard has no apparent origin.

If you think you're old, I still don't remember them even talking about this... need to re-watch...

Agreed! I genuinely LOVE watching them watch episodes. Their reactions are honest and sometimes unexpected! But it's okay if they're expected, too. And it's okay if they're just flat-out wrong, which they sometimes are. 😀

"never gonna watch those episodes again.." that remark will age like milk ;)

That line of Pulaski's REALLY made my eyes roll!! Ugh—that hurt.

In addition to Manheim being mentioned, The Traveler from 'Where No One Has Gone Before' was mentioned as well

This episode holds my interest, but Trek has and will tell better time travel stories.

how very convenient 😉

And the beginning and end of years always just happen to coincide with the beginning and end of seasons.

"Facsimile? I've never heard of that word" Good lord, I know I'm getting older, but you really don't need to keep rubbing it in!

42xxx for TNG Season 2, 43xxx for TNG season 3, etc. But the dates then continue based on that, even without TNG.

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Manheim was the guy who was doing the time experiments...the one married to Picard's ex whom he had ghosted.

I think it was a prop issue/miss rather than an actor skill thing. Making an omlette is far more involved and the scene was so quick. The "finished product" they were eating was prop not paying attention to the detail imo

Accurate.

"Oh this is Season One Picard..." LMFAO!! Love it.

RE: Facsimile - Alex, you are me the first time I watched TNG. I was 17 when TNG started and learned a HUGE amount of my vocabulary from seven years of these scripts. Soak it up, baby! It's a free "education" (or at least that's how I look at it)

The fact that the dead Picard disappeared at the end along with the shuttle craft from his time suggests that the dead Picard was the one who was apart of that time line which now, essentially didn't happen.

you asked about Mr. Manheim i'm sure you remember him from the first season

It never occurred to me before, but, could it have been the original Picard who died and the now synchronized duplicate who rushed to the bridge to implement the alternate plan, a plan the original did not know about. Something to think about.

I hope you're not taking people's opinions differing from yours as pushback; personally a huge draw of your reviews is that I never know what's going to land well with you. Keep it coming, gents!

Maybe the episode works better than I always thought. My frustration with it never quite amounting to a full, realised story might be the result of the cast & crew intending me to experience a similar confused state to future Picard.

I mean, it never bothered me honestly. I just understood it as, his heart beat was good. It wasn't weak. But that the timing of the pulse itself wasn't quite correct. I can see others finding it an annoying comment though I suppose.

Good point

Watch out for space gas!!

It's not *completely* absurd. The heart is the main driver of blood circulation but it isn't the only one. Arteries contract in rhythm to help push blood, too, and if your "clock" is messed up like his was, that rhythm could easily be off.

Your video.

47:05 It's not explained. Which is a good thing! It's subtly implied that the "vortex entity" somehow did it.

Facsimile = Fax

The Geordi and Data scenes in the shuttlepod are way too long. They could have done that with a couple lines of off-screen dialog and given us something more interesting to watch.

Stardates! the first 2 digits are the year (42xxx being the year 2365). This convention was carried on through DS9 and Voyager.

That part has ALWAYS bugged the hell out of me. 😂 Like.. just change the script to say scrambled eggs! I assume they do some sort of rehearsal, so maybe he was able to make the omelette then but when it came time to film he got stage fright or something? lol

17:38 Stardates indicate the date by the whole number. Each day is its own number. Fractional pieces indicate the time, with 0.5 being the equivalent of noon.

Pulaski's comment about future Picard's heartbeat being fine but his pulse is erratic is absurd. From a medical exam perspective, they are the same thing. Bad dialog moment.

I never know if these time codes are for the video or the episode

I wonder if the script called for Riker to make omelettes but given Jonathan Frakes' skills, he could only come up with scrambled eggs.

It's time! This week has seriously flown by, pretty sure I didn't fall into a space anus but I could be wrong

3:10 Definitely the plot of the next episode should not come up....

"Matter of Honor" is in my top-20. "Measure of a Man" is in my top-10.

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It's not completely absurd. The heart is the main driver of blood circulation but it isn't the only one. Arteries contract in rhythm to help push blood, too, and if your "clock" is messed up like his was, that rhythm could easily be off.