POD 119: Day 4 dispatch from DEA HQ
Added 2024-11-18 08:42:12 +0000 UTCOn the fourth day of the hearing to prevent the prohibition of DOI and DOC at DEA HQ the court was graced by the phenethylamine master Dr. David E. Nichols as well as Dr. Lindsay Cameron and Dr. Jason Youkin
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It's true that it should be streamed but I must say maybe hearing it from you makes it less boring and mor e digestible maybe
simone
2025-04-21 20:37:51 +0000 UTCThat phone alarm thing was either some NSA PEGASUS type shit at work, never heard of that happening with iPhones lol. Not tryna make you paranoid but ahhh 😱 🤣
Michael McCallum
2025-01-26 14:33:53 +0000 UTCRead the whole book "Millbrook" at https://okneoac.org/millbrook. The raid/bust is discussed in Chapter 41. Kleps is a first class storyteller!
Skogel
2025-01-26 03:30:08 +0000 UTCDoes it have to do with the Millbrook Estate? Wasn’t that where those local cops were desperate for any sort of bust relating to LSD and finally got a warrant based on nudity displayed through a window? I remember reading about a Millbrook and the Millbrook Estate in Acid Dreams, what I mentioned above might be off though. It’s been a very fried 5 years or so since I read that one.
Michael McCallum
2025-01-25 21:51:34 +0000 UTCMr Hamilton Morris, this series of Patreon posts might be the most insane thing I have ever listened to, I literally don't know what to think.
Leila Taylor
2024-12-29 05:59:35 +0000 UTCThe description of Dr Nichols has me in stitches
Adam Wall
2024-11-24 23:23:10 +0000 UTCI'm having reccuring hallucinations of Colonel Kurtz saying "The absurdity, the absurdity..." Is to call the hearing Kafkaesque an understatement?
Fredrik Haglund
2024-11-23 15:28:55 +0000 UTCWhen did the hearings actually conclude? I'm having trouble find clear information on when the last day was, because based on this podcast it sounded like there was at least another day of testimony.
Evan O'Hara
2024-11-22 21:59:07 +0000 UTC“DOI yi yi” haha, Steve, I damn near choked on my morning coffee!
gossamer
2024-11-22 14:09:01 +0000 UTCHow many know of this account, by Art Kleps in "Millbrook", of his testimony before the Senate, as they held hearings to make LSD illegal in 1964? Also included is Tim Leary's contribution. It's in chapters 14 and 15. https://okneoac.org/millbrook/ch14
Skogel
2024-11-22 06:59:34 +0000 UTChttps://www.dea.gov/
Jessica Nielson
2024-11-22 03:57:17 +0000 UTC👏👏👏
Stephanie Schaefer
2024-11-22 01:00:11 +0000 UTCCheck out his episodes about the rejection of the MDMA study, that will tell you who they are.
Stephanie Schaefer
2024-11-22 00:56:05 +0000 UTCYour depiction of this courtroom drama rivals the eloquence of the brothers Karamazov and the entertainment value of better call Saul 😎 amazing job Hamilton!
Liliana Hopkins
2024-11-21 22:41:17 +0000 UTCThanks for your advice. Is this accessible to non-US followers? Where would I register?
IsadorJS
2024-11-21 21:58:56 +0000 UTCMe 2
ogon bio
2024-11-21 21:52:30 +0000 UTCi've been checking back for a new episode several times a day :) amazing reporting.
vermontsaab
2024-11-21 21:45:36 +0000 UTCYour description of Dr Dave is so classic..."refulgence" - great word. I'm so glad he brought up his son Charle's research...I mean what better example of positive uses of DOI? And Mr Mann the man....gosh, another classic, wow...DOI yi yi baby! Thanks again for attending this meeting Hamliton, and it'd be of interest to read transcripts of other hearings...they must be part of the public record somewhere. As I mentioned, there might be videos of such hearings in the archives of public television stations...lemme contact KQED, they've been helpful before...cheers
Steven
2024-11-21 19:19:42 +0000 UTCOhhhhh but they can be, they absolutely can and seem to be, sad huh 😒.
Jeff
2024-11-21 17:29:39 +0000 UTCSaying this is your wheelhouse is an understatement! I'm glad you were there and I laughed so many times in these 4 parts... Plus this is so epic to openly speak clarity to what you saw. Crushed it dude 😎
ErikwithaK
2024-11-21 16:48:05 +0000 UTCIf you register for their alerts, they send out emails (like a newsletter) of different actions that are open to the public.
Jessica Nielson
2024-11-21 15:00:28 +0000 UTC+1 really enjoying the court reporting Hamilton. Keep it up!
Loke Guiks
2024-11-21 12:47:40 +0000 UTCRemember it's all an act, if he seems panicked or overwhelmed he'll loose credibility. Or maybe he just doesn't realize the monument that Nichols is and how he will not be able to push the DEA's narrative against him hahaha both seems plausible to me
Paul
2024-11-21 07:32:42 +0000 UTCSeconded
Samantha Firoze Sethna
2024-11-20 23:42:41 +0000 UTCDid he though? He sounds... numb
Samantha Firoze Sethna
2024-11-20 23:41:37 +0000 UTCHamilton, your court reporting is fantastically interesting and hearing you describe anything is unduly entertaining.
slunkd
2024-11-20 23:39:55 +0000 UTCThe level of insufferable some of the people shaping this hearing are totally comfortable being is hilarious. They can't be that oblivious
Samantha Firoze Sethna
2024-11-20 23:39:37 +0000 UTCI have looked on the DEA website and there is no mention of this hearing. The only reportage other than Hamilton’s is from a website called Benzinga. Why would DEA not make this accessible to the public?
IsadorJS
2024-11-20 22:37:26 +0000 UTCI am loving this daily reporting Hamilton! Truly appreciate the work that you do. It is really rather insane to hear about the idiocy of a government agency that holds so much power. Not really sure how to even process some of this information! 😅 Keep up the great work Hamilton!!
Jim See
2024-11-20 16:37:16 +0000 UTCAnd I will not let them win!!
Joe Hennessey
2024-11-20 14:55:46 +0000 UTCThanks for doing this, Hamilton. Please rest well, take good care, and have a lot of fun.
Samantha Firoze Sethna
2024-11-20 10:57:51 +0000 UTCAnother journalist Jack Gorsline was there, also I run my own podcast Psychedelic Brain Science & am dropping a full recap on the events this Friday/saturday! We weren’t allowed to discuss testimony until the hearing was over.
Alaina Jaster
2024-11-20 03:51:20 +0000 UTChttps://psychedelicreview.com/organization/eleusis-benefit-corporation/ One is eleusis, Charles Nichol's startup
Thomas Child
2024-11-20 03:11:24 +0000 UTCWould love to chat about doing schedule 1 clinical research and the process for getting a license and initiating a trial. I previously did this as a PI for a psilocybin study (doing that myself from start to finish as a first of its kind at my previous university). I have since quit because that work caused so much burnout. I’m a neuroscience PhD (dissertation was on neurotrauma), and been doing and researching psychedelics since I was 15, founded and currently run a psychedelic society, have been chairing a state psychedelic medicine task force for the past year, and now diving more into the legislative and legal arena (studying for the LSAT) since it seems science is not moving the needle as much as I want. Want to try a different angle to broaden access. Hit me up if you ever want to chat about the intersection of all that. https://nielsonlab.umn.edu/ jnielson@umn.edu Or psychedelicmn@gmail.com
Jessica Nielson
2024-11-20 01:44:21 +0000 UTCyou sound dangerously clever
Natalie Zementbeisser
2024-11-20 00:19:48 +0000 UTCI mean I doubt double jeopardy will apply to drugs, but I would assume that the DEA wouldn’t want to be humiliated twice in a row. Presumably these personnel are being paid, so any court case that doesn’t work in their favor is money being wasted. If they already lost it’s too much of a gamble to spend that kind of money again. Although all DEA spending is inherently wasteful, so maybe they don’t care.
Cameron Mitchell
2024-11-20 00:01:38 +0000 UTCNever heard of them. Who are they?
Natalie Zementbeisser
2024-11-19 23:59:28 +0000 UTCtremendous, tremendous, tremendous!!!
Natalie Zementbeisser
2024-11-19 23:52:33 +0000 UTCNightmare blunt rotation
Sato S
2024-11-19 23:14:02 +0000 UTCA FOIA request may be worth a shot, but I'm not sure if the legal proceedings followed a similar format at that time (1984). The hearing itself would have been substantially different, and probably quite interesting. Several companies had marketed methaqualone as a prescription drug, so re-listing it from S1 to S2 would not have sat well with many wealthy stakeholders. At the same time, the DEA had a much stronger case for widespread diversion and abuse. I wish I knew if the Quaalude lives up to its reputation, but the DOI hearing has demonstrated the absolute disconnect between the DEA and the reality they create laws for.
Robin Hewitt
2024-11-19 21:58:45 +0000 UTCwhat if DOI isn't scheduled this time, what prevents the DEA from trying again next week? or the week after?
Erik
2024-11-19 21:53:15 +0000 UTCFor entertainment’s sake I hope this trial goes on for months. Trial of serotonin 7.
Meek
2024-11-19 21:32:02 +0000 UTCGreat stuff
Terry Henry
2024-11-19 20:10:50 +0000 UTCNichols mentionning his 293 publications 🤣🤣 I know Frank Mann got cold sweats after hearing this
Paul
2024-11-19 19:39:42 +0000 UTCThis is how I imagined it
Kd
2024-11-19 16:53:04 +0000 UTCWhich 2 companies is Nichols referring to?
Kd
2024-11-19 16:52:45 +0000 UTCI screamed for joy in my car when you announced David Nichols. Amazing.
Clifford Anderson
2024-11-19 14:52:13 +0000 UTCI have a few molecular structure tattoos. Had them for like 20 years before I started seeing them EVERYWHERE!! Also not of DOI
rabidreject
2024-11-19 12:43:18 +0000 UTCObjection! OBJECTION!!!
nickbaba
2024-11-19 12:27:31 +0000 UTCWas there a similar hearing for the scheduling of Methaqualone (Quaaludes)? Would it be possible to request the transcript of that hearing? Would it require an FOI request?
michael carr
2024-11-19 09:07:36 +0000 UTCWell for once I feel I can relate to Frank Mann. During some second-year biochemistry papers at Uni I also had a hatred for G-protein coupled receptors.
Oscar Graham
2024-11-19 07:24:58 +0000 UTCThe only way this can get worse is if Psymposia appears as an expert witness for the DEA.
Douglas Skene
2024-11-19 04:27:34 +0000 UTCI'm always begging for content and now I can't keep up. Day 1 was great, about to start day 2. Thanks for the prompt reporting. Hamilton: I was wondering if you were aware of Tim Friede the herpetologist that has been bitten by a large number of venomous snakes. A real cowboy of self-experimentation... not exactly drugs or chemistry, but I feel like there's enough crossover with this crowd that they may appreciate an interview (if possible) or at least at look at this article: https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/exploration-survival/snakebite-antivenom-tim-friede/
B-Boy Bungus
2024-11-19 01:57:58 +0000 UTCThe DEA keeps shooting themselves in the foot with all their objections. It's hilarious. I'm feeling really optimistic about this
Armchair Idiot
2024-11-19 01:52:41 +0000 UTCIt does appear to be him based on his LinkedIn profile
Ericaceous
2024-11-19 01:22:27 +0000 UTCI believe he said he was the only journalist present in the first dispatch
Ericaceous
2024-11-19 01:17:19 +0000 UTCEssential work and spectacular storytelling. I’m enjoying every chapter of this historic content.
Zachary Markman
2024-11-18 23:52:21 +0000 UTCBig hug, and I don't know ... maybe some golf.
Broadcasts From Poor Farm
2024-11-18 22:18:44 +0000 UTCLOL
M
2024-11-18 20:52:40 +0000 UTCI tried to include all the humorous notes from throughout the trial thus far but if I missed anything that you think deserves a stanza, let me know and I'll put it in!
Ericaceous
2024-11-18 20:45:19 +0000 UTCFrank Mann is a known ligand supremecist.
Dylan
2024-11-18 20:06:49 +0000 UTCFrank Mann Frank Mann Doing things only the man can He shouts, he objects He’s a high school chemistry reject DOI and DOC Both unfamiliar to thee Me thinks thou dost protest too much You use your power as a crutch DOI party, the PTA Can reddit be counted as fair play? The internet barely knows this substance I think THAT should count as evidence Scientific research, ever heard of it? Continued study, you should permit Schedule 1 licenses are hard to acquire Sound arguments have drawn your ire Easels and personal vacations Potential points of provocation If your case is iron clad Why are these considered bad? Al Pacino, Lieutenant Kaffee Do you know legal film history? The carpet appears to match your suit To me, It is clear: ‘you can’t handle the truth!’ 5HT2A and anti-inflammatory DOI presents its story Not even rodents want these drugs So please don’t sweep them under the rug Hamilton swiftly scribbles his notes Expert witnesses call in remote The oppressive atmosphere of the DEA On zoom, its power goes away Who did you speak with at the DEA? Who did you speak with at the DEA?! Nobody, no one, comes the reply Honestly, who hired this guy? G-protein coupled receptors These are Frank's manifested Dementors Science is the enemy He wants to run he wants to flee Carbonaro, that’s all you got? Scheduling chemicals without a thought Nichols put you in your place You thought you won with too much haste Face of the law, butt of our jokes SSDP has you on the ropes Is DOI illegal yet? On that, I surely wouldn’t bet Frank Mann Frank Mann The DEA can enforce and it can ban I’m thankful he is incompetent SSDP is feeling confident Who will win this legal fight? Will they take our given rights? Thinks he's won, case in the tank Thank god thank god they went with Frank!
Ericaceous
2024-11-18 19:26:59 +0000 UTCHey Hamilton, In The Drug Science Podcast, Episode 78, with Dr Charles Nichols he describes a bit about the work he lost in Hurricane Katrina, that you referenced in this latest installment. It’s around 16:30 into the interview. Really enjoying your coverage. Thanks!
Eric Foht
2024-11-18 19:20:01 +0000 UTCDavid E Nichols entering the court was an incredible moment. Don't think I could've enjoyed this more being there in person. Having it filtered through the scientific and comedic lens of Hamilton is making this some of the Patreon's best content 👌
Douglas Skene
2024-11-18 18:58:42 +0000 UTCmazel tov
jennifer
2024-11-18 18:48:17 +0000 UTCI imagine Dr Nichols entrence looked something like a slightly less imposing version of General Zhukovs entrence in the Death of Stalin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytA-0xTYRUo
Helmer
2024-11-18 18:45:46 +0000 UTCDavid Nichols The Grey telling the DEA balrog that it shall not schedule
Cameron Mitchell
2024-11-18 18:28:06 +0000 UTCDoes anyone know of any other sources of updates regarding the trial outside of these podcasts?
Kyra
2024-11-18 18:24:12 +0000 UTCAre these hearings on weekdays only ? and are they open to the public?
Alex .
2024-11-18 17:38:35 +0000 UTCI’m guessing that you are reading from your notes? Your writing is very good! 😂 at your semi-dry humor
Noel
2024-11-18 17:38:06 +0000 UTCHe's the Man. Frank Mann, to be exact. The epitome of justice and the face of the law. The Mann performs and shouts and objects all around, to realize his dream of the DEA unbound.
Brian Bolan
2024-11-18 17:33:54 +0000 UTCIs that THE Frank Mann at 3:20? He may not know anything about chemistry but he can cover the shit out a fireworks display. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=635561840297996
Brett Zeigler
2024-11-18 15:20:22 +0000 UTCThis shit is hilarious man god damn
Julien Weinstein
2024-11-18 15:17:37 +0000 UTCYayyyy day 4
Ham with Pineapple and Maraschino Cherries
2024-11-18 15:08:49 +0000 UTCGod I love this coverage, please do more stuff like this in the future if possible. Don't if it will impact your research or mental health, but I'd love to see more on the ground reporting. Keep up the good work Hamilton!
sage khanna
2024-11-18 14:47:16 +0000 UTC"tremendous tremendous tremendous"
ecological conservation
2024-11-18 13:40:21 +0000 UTCThis is not a war on drugs, it’s a war on G-protein coupled receptors
Michael Cunningham
2024-11-18 12:46:20 +0000 UTCHells yeah just spent the whole recording grinning and laughing whilst laying in bed. Feeling very optimistic after this one! Dave Nichols is such a boss I’m so glad that he blessed Mr Man and the rest of the court with his white light. Tough day at the office for Mr man.. the words “overruled” are gonna haunt him for the rest of time.
willows
2024-11-18 12:31:03 +0000 UTCLooks like I’m only getting 4 hours
Kenneth
2024-11-18 11:21:13 +0000 UTCimmensely entertaining!
Simon Tulloch
2024-11-18 11:12:34 +0000 UTCTo hear these come out in real time is so exciting! History in real time! And with this lovely journalistic style!
Salvadoran Salvinorin
2024-11-18 10:49:40 +0000 UTCThese are some of the funniest but also informative podcasts i have ever listened to. A delight.
Ruairi Murphy
2024-11-18 10:06:44 +0000 UTComg this one was especially hilarious and then Dr. Nichols from the top rope... LOL god I wish this was filmed
Fred P
2024-11-18 09:22:00 +0000 UTCHope that DOI tattoo is both Hamilton’s and on a leg or arm.
Meek
2024-11-18 08:59:53 +0000 UTCThese episodes have been so refreshing and lovely. Thank you Hamilton!
Dylan Patterson
2024-11-18 08:58:28 +0000 UTCYesss!! Been waiting ALL weekend for this!! 🙌🏼
RoseMarie
2024-11-18 08:45:35 +0000 UTCGlad you got some rest. Looking forward to hearing the outcome of these hearings.
Brian
2024-11-18 08:45:21 +0000 UTCYew! ❤️
Aidan
2024-11-18 08:44:55 +0000 UTCThanks for the update Hamilton
Poopscooploop
2024-11-18 08:44:33 +0000 UTCWoohoo
Pronoia
2024-11-18 08:44:30 +0000 UTCFinally let’s gooo
Adam
2024-11-18 08:44:25 +0000 UTCBabe wake up day 4 dispatch just dropped
Leonard
2024-11-18 08:44:22 +0000 UTCit’s here boys
Thor Correia
2024-11-18 08:43:45 +0000 UTC
