Considering my options...
Added 2017-11-05 22:48:25 +0000 UTCThanks to everyone who left me comments and feedback on my recent thoughts (and if you missed those you can find them here https://www.patreon.com/posts/future-of-art-15220491) Here's some more thinking out loud on how my Patreon page could work in the future. If I’m going to shift focus and start working on comics full time then I’ll need to make some changes to facilitate my new goals. In order to make sure I have good momentum in the future I think I’d like to release single pages as they are completed. Working under a monthly subscription model would likely be a better option so people aren’t paying for each individual page. I could also keep things the way they are and just release two pages per update, but posts would be less frequent. The way I see it there are three possible options.
1) Keep this Patreon page as is, but just start focusing on comic updates. In this scenario I’d put out two pages per update as before (with maybe 3 to 4 updates max per month). I’d prefer to put out single pages as they are completed but without making any changes that would mean supporters would get charged a lot more and that doesn’t seem fair. Doing things this way would probably allow me to retain most of my support, but pages would be released slower.
2) Keep this Patreon page but switch it to a monthly subscription. In this scenario I’d still keep most of my support, but I would immediately lose a substantial chunk of revenue (since I usually update 2 or 3 times a month a $5 pledge, for example, becomes $10 or $15 for me by the end of the month). If I switch this page to a monthly subscription model and leave the pledge amounts as they are it would be equivalent to me updating once a month, and with my current expenses that's not enough to live on.
I could up the pledge amount, so that people who pledge $5 per update now pledge $10 or $15 per month (assuming this is something I can even do?), but I feel like messing with people's pledge amounts might be a bad idea. Some supporters have caps on their pledges and changing the amounts might make some upset or cause them to leave. Obviously I’d be upfront about these changes well before I implemented them, but I’m still not sure if this is good business or not.
3) Start a new Patreon page from scratch. I’d open up an entirely new page dedicated to comics. I would set it up with the appropriate rewards and tier levels for a monthly subscription. Because the new page would be starting from scratch it probably wouldn't earn me enough money to live off right away. In this scenario there would likely be a transition time where I’d have to work on both my existing Patreon page, and the new one, so I can still earn enough to keep up with expenses. When and if the new page becomes financially stable I’d focus on it exclusively and shut down the old one. It would take more time to get the new page up to the level of my current one, but the benefits of starting over could outweigh the benefits of modifying my existing page.
For one, everyone signing up would know exactly what they are getting, and how much they are paying for. I could set up simple rewards and just focus on getting content out as it is completed. The downsides are that there is no guarantee the new page will reach the level of support I have now, since that took me years to build. I could wind up in transition hell working on two Patreon pages forever defeating the purpose of setting it up in the first place. All of the Patreon links I have out there in the wild would still direct traffic to my old Patreon, and I’d have redirect new supporters to the monthly one. Some supporters might not be bothered to make a new pledge. Despite these problems this option seems like the most ideal situation, but it also looks like it would be the most difficult to pull off.
I’m still undecided which route to take, if there is anything I’ve overlooked, or if there any other possibilities. Options 2 and 3 seem like the best choices but they still have drawbacks. Under each option comic pages would still be released early for patrons so there’s more incentive to sign up, but other rewards would have to change. I probably won’t be holding character polls once I get started on the comic for example. The rewards for the highest tier might change as well. I’ll need to do a little more thinking to work this out, but if you guys have any preferences, or any ideas I’d love to hear them.
Either way, the end goal is this – to produce kick ass comics that are fun, sexy, and keep you hooked till the very end. Your support no matter what tier or amount enables me to do just that, and the end result of your pledge is the continued creation of content you love to see. You guys are just as much a part of this as I am, and I wouldn’t be able to do any of it without you, so your thoughts and feedback here are very valuable to me.
Comments
Yep! As I mentioned before, things will carry on like usual until I start making the change. It's still a ways off, I just wanted to talk about it first and start thinking about it early :)
Erotibot
2017-11-07 04:26:22 +0000 UTCYeah, I totally understand what you're saying. Actually one thing about per update is that the creator gets to decide what counts as a paid update and what doesn't. So I can (and do) occasionally post things like Wips and sketches, but I don't charge anyone for them because... they're just wips and sketches. When I make a post with a finished illustration I hit a little box that says "charge patrons for this post". I guess deciding between monthly or per update setups is mostly about what accommodates my output and what works best for my patrons.
Erotibot
2017-11-07 04:25:28 +0000 UTCOn further thought it seems patreon has been good for creators in terms of allowing them to try things out and expand into making original content which I think is great quite a few people i am pledge to have made changes as well one question i have is with changes coming next year will you be rounding the year with a few last fanart poll like the western girl one you were talking about?
A-T
2017-11-06 22:24:07 +0000 UTCThanks, I appreciate that. Hmmm what to do... what to do...
Erotibot
2017-11-06 21:01:03 +0000 UTCIt's not bad advice. I mean I've been doing it this way for so long already. The thought of changing this does stress me out, but I guess I'm just trying to weigh all the options and consider what would be best for the long term.
Erotibot
2017-11-06 21:00:09 +0000 UTCHmm, so is the expectation of a monthly pledge that the artist will produce more work and take less time? I plan on producing the same amount of content either way. It's just a matter of whether I release the pages one at a time, or two at a time.
Erotibot
2017-11-06 20:59:08 +0000 UTCGood to know! I'll keep that in mind.
Erotibot
2017-11-06 20:54:30 +0000 UTCI know, I've thought about this a lot. Every time I hold a poll I feel like I'm pleasing a few people who see their choices win and disappointing everyone else. Plus it's useless for people who don't know or like the choices. More reason to steer away from it and just do my own thing. Thanks for your input, I'm leaning towards 2 and 3 myself. We'll see where this goes.
Erotibot
2017-11-06 20:54:13 +0000 UTCAgree with both of the above posts...excited for the transition! Hot Shit High was fantastic
Zabuzaxsta
2017-11-06 14:58:35 +0000 UTCI agree with static amount feeling safer when it comes to higher pledges. From there, if the content is consistent and good, I keep pledging. It also opens things up for you to upload a sketch or warm-up drawings to keep people hyped while they wait for the next comic page (without charging them extra for the non-comic uploads). Some of the artists I have pledges with (who do the static monthly setup) will upload a cool sketch they made while warming up; sometimes they really liked the idea and will expand on it, but other times they just move on. With the pledge per upload, this would be unwelcome, because the works are far from finished. But with the static setup, it feels like you get more bang for your pledge and keeps the page updated more frequently. Sorry, my post went from two sentences to this...
Patreon fan
2017-11-06 09:04:26 +0000 UTCMy 2 cents would be for option 2. Pledging a higher amount per month is fine with me as I know that it is a static amount.
2017-11-06 05:47:25 +0000 UTCFor my part, I'm generally inclined to pledge higher if I know it's a static amount. I don't know that I speak for any number of people, but that's my preference. I'd prefer option 2 I think, but if you go option 3, I'll probably switch my pledge to the comic patreon. I'd rather see you drawing what you're passionate about.
Hydra Bomb
2017-11-06 03:29:35 +0000 UTCI agree with this. makes the most sense to me.
mjs
2017-11-06 03:24:50 +0000 UTCMoving to a new page could be more hassle than it's worth, since not everyone will make the transition. Monthly payments as apposed to per update sounds fine, but it can also land you in a bit of trouble if you ever fall behind. Option 1 is probably the safest, just keeps things going as they are.
Inquisitor
2017-11-06 01:26:37 +0000 UTCI think option 1 would be the safest for you and for everyone, it's already proven and tested. With the first option you have ample time to create and modify your works and it won't hurt the wallet of your fans. I thinks some of your fans don't mind the wait time. I'm also fine with number 2 cause that's what most artists do here on Patreon, I'm kind of used to it. It's more organized cause you just need to pack all your works in one zip file and then send it to everyone by the end of the month. If the price is kept reasonable, you'll maintain your current supporters and possibly attract more. Option 3 could work as well. It's gonna be kind of like an adventure or a gamble, but I still think it's gonna be a success. Personally, I'm okay with any of the three. How about make a poll and see what your fans think? Maybe it will help you make your decision.
Naj
2017-11-06 01:20:49 +0000 UTCI am a fan of options 1 and 2.
ArdenW
2017-11-06 00:47:11 +0000 UTCI honestly hate the per update pledge type, and would love to go to a monthly pledge type. My preferred option would be 2 even if it means increasing the amount to reach the average of per update pledge.
jirs
2017-11-06 00:43:57 +0000 UTCFor what it's worth: My per update pledge isn't very high. I mean, I really dig your art. But since I don't really watch much anime, the ability to vote on which fanart you do is kind of irrelevant for me. The only characters I even recognized from the last poll were Papi and Sailor Moon. And that's just because everyone knows Sailor Moon. But, I'd totally be willing to pay more for a comic. I like options 2 and 3. Never been a fan of "per update," personally.
Simiusmagnus
2017-11-06 00:05:58 +0000 UTCStick with the per update. I've seen more than one artist burn themselves out, trying to keep to a monthly schedule. This way, if life happens, and you only get one update done in a month, you don't have people complaining. Plus, if you get the urge to do another fan art (like a new game or anime really catches your fancy) you can throw it in without worrying about it disrupting the comic/schedule.
Xavon
2017-11-05 23:45:26 +0000 UTCI say keep it set as is (option 1) I'm okay with whatever changes you make though if comics are the direction you want go for it the risk is worth it for the potential joy it would bring if you ask me until that change happens definitely gunning for one more fan art of a character from the current system if possible before then but again go for it your comics are very enjoyable and i fully support this direction
A-T
2017-11-05 23:33:29 +0000 UTC1st option is safest 2nd is most dangerous 3rd is moderately safe but relies heavily on your patrons laziness ^^; but it also requires a bit of work to get everything up and running again. I would personally go with option 3. A fresh start with a new direction
Ninja1011
2017-11-05 23:31:42 +0000 UTCI doubt you can change people's pledges without consent but if be happy to change to a monthly support and slightly up the amount to balance things. Everyone is getting plenty of notice so it shouldn't cause too many problems whichever way you go. Option 2 does make more sense in the long run to me though.
2017-11-05 23:11:37 +0000 UTCAre you referring to option 2 then? And if so, you would be comfortable with me adjusting the pledge amount so it's equivalent to how much you pay per month on the update system? Er... I'm still not even sure I can do that. Guess I need to look into it first.
Erotibot
2017-11-05 22:54:36 +0000 UTC