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Game of Thrones 7x1-2 | Watch Along

Game of Thrones 7x1-2 | Watch Along

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I hate to be a downer all the time about GoT, but this truly is the beginning of some of the worst TV ever created.

Aj

Btw the hound didn’t kill that family. He just robbed them if you remember. They did die either freezing or starving like the hound predicted when he told Arya they wouldn’t make it past the winter

Stanley Livingston

I completely forgot Tommy Turgoose has a little part as one of the soldiers at the camp scene. Always happy to see a young actor from my hometown doing well.

Patrick

I actually think the first four episodes of season 7 are pretty fantastic... But EVEN SO... there are a lot of small issues & things (that people have all pointed out) that are sewing the seeds of what will eventually cause the show to fall apart :(. Its kinda depressing, so I probably won't be watching anymore w/ y'all (I don't need to relive the disappointment). Its been fun =D

Ietseatapples

I mostly agree though I think the reasons behind it are different in the early and in the late seasons of the show. I think a key nuance about Tyrion's character and his actions from the books was lost in the early seasons which contributed to his character assassination in the later ones. Specifically, that in the books, he was never really supposed to be that great. We see his actions as Hand in King's Landing mostly from his own POV and he's definitely very self-satisfied with all his doings but since it's Tyrion's POV, we're definitely meant to question that. But the show really doesn't. Plus they also cut out a lot of the dark, messed up stuff that Tyrion does, all of which led to him being portrayed as a much more heroic, well-intentioned person than he was supposed to be. In the later seasons, I think a couple things happened with Tyrion. First off, they established him now firmly as a good guy, which is inherently a bit more boring. Secondly, D&D just aren't up to snuff when it comes to writing smart, witty characters like Tyrion. And fair play, that's hard, it's hard to write smart characters, and GRRM could obviously take his time with writing him, but yeah, that's why his dialog often feels so dumb and cheesy in the later seasons, instead of witty and cutting like it was early on. But thirdly, the reason Tyrion's advice is bad in the later seasons is just because the writers needed it to be. The writers needed to delay Daenerys' attack on King's Landing because it WOULD have been too easy and they couldn't think of a smarter way of doing it.

Christophe

How do you question and challenge an order from your King in front of his own bannermen. You're not even being sly about it or using wording that would make it look like you are being subtle about it but straight up questioning his decisions. We have seen Jon literally behead someone for challenging his orders. Sansa did it TWICE and when Jon called her out, she brought up Joffery?? Like wtf are you saying maam. Also the Northerners who just proclaimed Jon "King" are chill with a woman who married a Lannister and a Bolton saying she wants to strip two children from ancient houses of their castles and give it to the Lords of the Vale? They don't protest that but Jon going to see Daenerys is when they protest. It doesnt make sense. Also I feel like I would not have a big issue with Sansa and the other Lords questioning Jon if it was on the basis that they dont believe him about the army of the dead. If they used that then this "nothing conflict" would make sense.

Chief Doodle

Rant: Honestly, Tyrion has always given bad advice. Seriously think about it, the only time his decisions as Hand/advisor has worked out is when his father intervened. As Hand he gave his niece to Dorne hoping to bridge the gap between the Martell's and the Lannisters after his father ordered the Martell's Princess to be raped to death and her children killed... Knowing that history he thought it was a good idea to send his niece there... And if we blame Cersei for Tommen's death, then we have to blame Tyrion for Mycella's. Then there was the decision of sending prostitutes to Joffrey which pushed him over the edge into psychotic sexual predator instead of just a psycho. The wild fire in Blackwater Bay was his only great decision because it bought them enough time for Tywin to show up and actually defeat Stannis' army. But without Tywin he still would've lost. Then you have him giving slavery back with the intention of slowly taking it away again... of course they decided to attack in force. It's like after forcing a drug addict into cold turkey withdrawals and then giving them back drugs, they're not going to stick around to be weened when they don't want to stop to begin with. And now you have this decision, to not attack King's Landing directly and avoid turning it into ashes... King's Landing isn't the entirety of Westeros. Part of it just got blown up and the rest of Westeros is still standing. Instead of going for the Capital, making an example out of it, and then demanding bent knees he advised going after one of the most powerful lands and taking it (as if other House's wouldn't be terrified their land would be next), and starving the Capital (whose people would suffer first, the most, before the royals felt a twinge of hunger). Even if the ambush that just happened, didn't happen, a siege of King's Landing by a foreign invader is a horrible decision. Tyrion may have had fun being Hand, but I disagree with everyone that he was good at it.

Athasin


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