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I got to say I disagree with Cecil to an extent here but for the most part agree with him. The using an 8 year old to spar is questionable but I'm assuming the kid is getting bis own training and education and stuff and sparring with invincible is a way for him to learn too. I think rehabilitating Dark Wing 2 is a fair thing. The guy lost his mentor and a person he probably met and thought was helping his mission turned out to commit the greatest terrorist act on the face of the planet. And dark wing's response to that was to murder criminals. It's wrong and shouldn't be done but as far as the ability to become a better a person and whether he should be given the chance while also being helped to deal with the trauma that led to that I think is fair. Sinclair? No. Guy should not get any amount of freedom. You can justify using his technology. I think donated corpses is a fair ethical solution. But Sinclair shows no remorse and no empathy for others. Giving a person like that the freedom to keep experimenting and stuff is dangerous. Especially right away. If they were giving him help and stuff he needed and he showed empathy for his victims and stuff I can see a road to redemption. But here he was just useful so he got a past. The implant is also another line crossed but thst one I'm more torned on. It's not unreasonable to prepare for Mark turning against Earth. But morally wrong tk implant that weapon in him. Just flat out is. But I see it as more justifiable than bringing in Sinclair.

Suplee215

4 arms from ben 10 is red. this dude is orange

PBR person

I agree with both sides but I’m leaning more toward Cecil

Braden Jackson

They give Viltrumites a run for their money, especially the older models

KrakenKing

Team Cecil all the way. My favorite character in the whole show, nearly never disagree with him.

KrakenKing

I agree with him to an extent. I think he is terrible at dealing with Mark. He never treats him like an equal adult. He should have actually tried to persuade him, but he really isn't. He does explain his motivations and his intents but only after he was forced to. He never showed any turst in mark. He keeps thinking he can either control him or find some solution to stop him so that if Mark ever does stray from what he wants, he can put him down. It is rather arrogant. There is having contingencies and actively not willing to trust him.

Gage Eakins

Same

Ramon Fax!

Yes kinda, it’s technically the same universe, just changed the timeline if that makes sense. When future eve decided to go back in time and save mark, that created a new timeline in which mark never died. So although its 2 different timelines, it was still the same universe. It’s so complicated when it involves both time travel and the multiverse lmao

Bryan

I’m ngl I think I might be a shitty person cuz I almost never disagree with Cecil 😭😭

Bryan

Kenny! I love the Regular show tshirt that is epic!

Kitty3545

Finally we back

blue_haruki

You're impossible 😅

H-Bomb 24

*COVERS MY EARS* LALALALALA

💥Katsuki BakuGOAT💥(Kacchan)

Forreal. Check any Crayola crayon box, and you'll find red-orange 🖍

H-Bomb 24

There's also reddish orange ya damn nerd!!! 🤣🤣

Jinchuriki87

NOOOOO EITHER OR!

💥Katsuki BakuGOAT💥(Kacchan)

True enough

H-Bomb 24

Then you say red-orange. It's a color. 😅

H-Bomb 24

Maybe he uses the brain as a pseudo processor? The cyborgs do act kinda animalistic sometimes, with screaming and stuff.

David Bodor

i would say hes more orange then he is red

Ratus Ratus

BUT IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE TO SAVE THE WORLD

💥Katsuki BakuGOAT💥(Kacchan)

I say its red-orange

Juan Solo

God I love rexplode

💥Katsuki BakuGOAT💥(Kacchan)

I see orange lmao

💥Katsuki BakuGOAT💥(Kacchan)

Conment for red Like for orange

💥Katsuki BakuGOAT💥(Kacchan)

Ah ok, you're saying it "makes sense" as in it makes since that's how he reacted Not that it "makes sense" as in "that's logical" My bad on the miscommunication haha

Jinchuriki87

But Mark's demand ISN'T logical. If anything it's purely emotional. Mark didn't take anything Cecil said into consideration when he made that demand, because he doesn't care. In his mind, the murders they've committed will always overshadow any good they could potentially accomplish moving forward. Honestly, as messed up as it was for Cecil to have kept Darkwing and Sinclair a secret from Mark, it's proven to have been the right choice since Mark still lost his shit even after they saved him and the other heroes. I'm not saying he doesn't have a right to be upset, but going after Cecil the way he did was a bad call.

Juan Solo

That's the reason he's a hypocrite. His family gets exceptions and he doesn't extend that to others especially killers that he hates so much. "Cough" Nolan "Cough" his father. Mark is a blatant hypocrite and I hope more characters call him out on it. Cecil and Oliver already started the trend.

Kalla

I think it boils down to what you consider the differences are between universes and timelines. From what I understand, the future Guardians spent 20 years searching the multiverse for Mark, but by the time they found the universe he was trapped in he had lost his mind. So they time-traveled back to right after Mark killed Angstrom, and sent him back to their universe (the past from their perspective). So it's the same universe, but different timelines.

Juan Solo

That makes more sense

Braden Jackson

I don’t think mark is a hypocrite just that he isn’t able to understand this because it isn’t family

Braden Jackson

I don’t think it’s about angstrom more about mark teaming up with Omni man and getting made about Cecil doing something similar

Braden Jackson

Sinclair is obsessed with "improving humanity". He wouldn't use anything less than a human body as the template, and Cecil wouldn't go so far as to give him live subjects, so corpses seem to be the next-best thing for both.

Juan Solo

Oh yeah, final note: Redish-orange Same as before I don't know why yall are hung up on specifically one or the other lmao 🤷‍♂️

Jinchuriki87

I get that he's been through some shit And that he knows firsthand what those guys are capable of/have done I that he should be pissed Cecil didn't let him KNOW that was the plan to use them (maybe explain how, with SERIOUS reform, what they can bring to a potential fight against viltrum...which he ALSO knows firsthand what a INSANE problem that fight WILL be) I just feel like going "I'm not leaving until you throw them both back in jail (which comes across like threatening cecil) is a logical response But that's just me, but I do understand the argument

Jinchuriki87

Definitely red-orange

Juan Solo

Notice how even though Cecil led Mark to the White Room, he only entered after giving Mark another out, and being told "I'm not going anywhere until Sinclair and Darkwing are both back in prison." Mark made it clear that he wasn't there to negotiate. He had to have known that Cecil wouldn't listen to him willingly, so I honestly can't blame Cecil for going on the defensive. Sure, Cecil could've tried to de-escalate better (the Angstrom comparison was a terrible point), but it ultimately wouldn't have mattered since Mark was never going to listen.

Juan Solo

It's crazy how viltrumites want to kill Oliver for being a "lesser species" but his thraxan blood has made him basically a prodigy

Erin Ryan

would love that

Ahmad Pattonbey

To me, Mark losing his shit makes sense considering everything he's been through. He's of course going to be biased against Darkwing and Sinclair since he fought them personally, despite just being saved by both.

Juan Solo

How??? Because he killed a psycho trying to kills his family?

Erin Ryan

Inherently wouldnt that be a different universe since Mark is saved in his? Like she didn't see him for years I assume when trapped on the planet with Levy, whereas in this universe it was a few days/weeks. So def a different timeline is playing out for Mark right?

Letts React

That's what I said! Red-orange!

H-Bomb 24

hes def a orange red

EndSoul995

Hard disagree. It's not even a question of morality to me, but a question of resource usage. Sinclair probably hasn't changed unless Cecil has fully brainwashed him (which is its own can of ethical worms), but kept under close supervision having him create the Reanimen in an ethical way when they're a) physically capable of giving a Viltrumite a run for their money and b) a useful backup in case of superhero emergency as we literally see in this episode just makes sense.

Ferret

That was a future Eve not a parallel universe alternate timeline

Lilgggg

Can we get the next ep of invincible tomorrow since the schedule has been all over?

Corey _

He is so orange it’s crazy. Kenny is killing me🤣

Alayna Petty

Maybe enhancing the human body with technology is easier than surpassing that with technology alone

Braden Jackson

No problem great reaction as always

Braden Jackson

Also the reason why no other hero was upset about what happened is because non of them were involved in either Sinclair or dark wing

Braden Jackson

Thank you guys for answering my question to clarify I mean that marks anger is similar to Omni man’s in that moment but marks is about the morality of the criminals around him Omni man’s was about his mission to conquer earth basically I was saying it’s similar anger but about different circumstances

Braden Jackson

Oh mark DEFINITELY screwed up the delivery lmao But it definitely doesn't seem completely impossible to bring it up and it ONLY be a bad thing

Jinchuriki87

Yea caught me off guard to

Braden Jackson

True, there was a better structure to make it more presentable but seeing Mark fumble through asking her out I'm not surprised he didn't say it so cleanly.

Vextipher

Just a suggestion, but hard to hear between the show audio and your comment, if able to have subtitles on I think it would help.

Vextipher

Yeah i figure there's SOME kind of explanation...it just seems wild (as Kenny even noted) that they just show up and like "oh were you having some trouble with this?" And I'm just like "HOW?!" 🤣🤣

Jinchuriki87

That or the reason they can’t on the inside is because of how stretchy it is and they were suffocating by trying to escape but the outside wasn’t stretchy

Braden Jackson

It could be like a domain where the spider focused on the inside rather than the outside

Braden Jackson

Side note: how the HELL do the robots just split those eggs like butter when the super powered people couldn't? (Unless they're mini domain expansions that is lmao)

Jinchuriki87

Sure, the mark/Cecil comparison isn't really legit...but it's not COMPLETELY different in the sense that they're both doing what they feel they need(ed) to do to protect others lives It does seem a little off that mark is absolutely losing his shit without at LEAST trying to get some kind of proof that Cecil did reform them

Jinchuriki87

I'm with someone else on the mark/eve situation Honestly, he could have possibly addressed it from the start with something like "Hey, there was something that other eve said and it's been on my mind, because if I'm being honest...i have feelings for you. I've had them since before this conversation, but what she said I don't want to be something that would possibly create doubt/tension later so I just want to confirm if it's true for you as well" Or SOMETHING like that

Jinchuriki87

Haha yea I rushed to get this out quick and didn’t update intro, will do before next ep!

Letts React

No

cade-carter

TBH, I don't really know why Sinclair needs the corpses to begin with. Can he not just make straight robots or androids?

H-Bomb 24

I need that shirt

H-Bomb 24

Omgggggggg I am DYING at that nic cage impression!!! That was awesome kenny!!!

Jinchuriki87

As always his wardrobe is 🔥

Braden Jackson

Everyone else didn’t change their minds. Mark is just the only one who actually knows what these people have done. Mark was the only hero involved in both Sinclair’s and darkwing’s arrests and the only hero who saw what they did. The others aren’t upset cause all they know is darkwing and these robots saved them.

Mortis

I mean, Cecil makes it clear that Sinclair is a prisoner. While it feels icky that a guy like him basically gets to do what he wants, it's for an undeniably important cause: the safety of the planet. Classic "methods vs. results" debate, and Mark is being pretty small-minded about it.

H-Bomb 24

For me it depends on how Sinclair is living in season 1 we saw he makes the reaniman then goes back to his cell for me I would be more open minded if we see his rehabilitation of him learning it understand the value of a human life and see that they aren’t treating him like a normal worker for dark wing I understand what he went through and can see how he could recover and it is true that without both of them they would all be dead and for Sinclair season 1 could have been different

Braden Jackson

So true got a great chuckle out of me

Braden Jackson

Even better that it was on the background. Great comedic addition. 😅

H-Bomb 24

Fair enough, though the usefulness of said dead soldiers this episode shouldn't be understated. The main reason Mark's so against Sinclair is because it happened to his best friend. He's making it personal.

H-Bomb 24

When it comes to dark wing I'm more open minded to him changing but Sinclair I am 100% with Mark he should not be given a lab to make more monsters nor do I belive he has changed

Ecca Diers

I personally think they're more automatons than people, closer to robots so they're not conscious anymore, but even if I am wrong and they retain some degree of consciousness, as long as the soldiers were informed and gave consent, I think the emergency situation kind of calls for their use. People have consigned themselves to worse fates to protect their homelands, and that's just nations and countries, arbitrary lines on maps, this is the entire planet, the entirety of humanity we're talking about. When the viltrumites come, you want to have as much stuff as possible to throw at them. In times of crisis morality is often a luxury that people cannot afford. At the end of the day, would you rather be the guy that respected corpses of fallen soldiers but lost, dooming humanity to death or servitude, or the guy that made use of the fallen and won, allowing humanity live? I asked Kenny and Montana a similar question for Frieren, about how much they'd be willing to sacrifice in a life or death fight to keep the bodies of the fallen intact?

David Bodor

It looks orange with some light red mixed in

Braden Jackson

I loved hearing immortals WHAT to the declaration being stolen since he is Abraham Lincoln

Braden Jackson

Seriously 😤

H-Bomb 24

Mark is such a hypocrite

Kalla

10/10 shirt Kenny

JeffersonGE

He was a threat but it still can be surprising seeing a guy who tries to destroy historical land marks to holding the country’s super heroes hostage

Braden Jackson

On top of that, Rex and Mark being homies is just awesome. I just can't stretch enough how GREAT Rex is in this show. He's hilarious in season one, but after that, dude goes through some GENUINE development. To the point where's he's honestly my favorite character.

H-Bomb 24

Yeah, I definitely ship Rex and Rae. 😏

H-Bomb 24

Why? He gave Mark and Eve a pretty good run fir their money in season one. Just cause he's goofy doesn't mean he can't also be a threat.

H-Bomb 24

IMO the most morally grey thing so far is having mark beat up a 8 year old in front of his parents for strength training like non of them act like it’s a little wired

Braden Jackson

I know right it’s like if condiment king from DC took over Gotham

Braden Jackson

I would not think it’s bad if the volunteers fully know what will happen to their bodies if not then it’s a bit of a grey area if it’s the sould being reanimated like the shadows or just a zombie with not connection to the people of the bodies their in

Braden Jackson

58:40 - Nah I think saying it a month later would be even worse. Imo Mark should have opened with it before even asking Eve out. Just tell her that the other her said something to him, and that he was wondering if it's true about her too, because he also has feelings and then ask her out. All cards on the table up front no secrets and nothing to misunderstand.

David Bodor

@Blitzo It really isn't. Unless you believe in souls and stuff like that, there's nothing inherently wrong with necromancy (at least if the people donated the body and you're not just stealing it) You're just using empty shells so who cares? It's like recycling.

David Bodor

Ehh, with episode 2x2 of Solo Leveling, K & M were pretty dubious of how Jinwoo uses his shadow extraction, rightfully so.

H-Bomb 24

Its gonna be fun to see them see the different similarities between Nolan and his sons. btw its funny how people see the donated corpses of the soldiers for the reanimated robots as problematic but Jinwoo from Solo Leveling did the same thing but because we like Jinwoo we let it slide and because we're iffy on Cecil its suddenly morally dubious

Lionell

Why's it seem like Kenny kinda struggles with pausing this show? Is Prime just different?

H-Bomb 24

Thumbnail and intro animation still say season 2 fyi, excited to watch this tho 🔥

blitzø

It's kind of a similar dilemma to Jinwoo and his shadow soldiers. But in this show, yeah, Mark's overreacting and being kind of a hypocrite.

H-Bomb 24

bro just said necromancy isn't that fucked up 😭😭😭😭

blitzø

Honestly I don't think the reanimen are as F'd up as you think. If they're really just donated bodies of soldiers, and we're currently awaiting an invasion from the strongest military force in the universe, I think the situation calls for using them. If I compare it to a necromancer reanimating dead bodies to help in a fight for the survival of humanity, I kinda think they're 100% right to do it.

David Bodor

He's orange. lol

Zelkova LRU

Never in my days did I think Doc Seismic would be an actual threat

Big K

"That seems problematic🤨" THANK YOU MONTANA!! Finally someone just as concerned as I was on why we're *beating* an eight year old😭

Shana

"Token Diversity and Gender Stereotype" Man, I've missed Doc Seismic. 🤣🤣

H-Bomb 24

Can Mark ever NOT take L's with Eve? 😑 That's literally what William said NOT to do! 😮‍💨

H-Bomb 24

Absolutely hyped for the next ep

Big Fuze

The Nolan/Mark and Mark/Oliver parallels are super interesting.

H-Bomb 24

The bit went on for longer than I thought. 😅

H-Bomb 24

Kenny's Nick Cage impression made me laugh out loud during work lmao

Neutral Nick

Red-orange

H-Bomb 24

He's 100% orange.

David Bodor

I love all the Nicholas Cage references! 🤣🤣🤣

Saw Meadow

Just like yesterday, LOVE the "Mordecai and the Rigbys" shirt, Kenny. 😅

H-Bomb 24

This again? The giant is red-orange. Yes, that's a color. 😅

H-Bomb 24

SUPER curious as to what show's coming after this.

H-Bomb 24

It was kinda cool seeing a D list villain find a way to be a threat to the country

Braden Jackson

Welp went back and it was on the schedule, but still killing it

Big Fuze

Damn you guys are killing it! Tbh wasn’t expecting this for a bit

Big Fuze


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