In this episode, Umu, Honor, and resident DIVE Helen break the record for most Kpop song references in a single podcast episode while discussing IVE's latest mini-album, "IVE EMPATHY." IVE make a few references themselves, interpolating Whitney Houston and Suzanne Vega to...varying degrees of success. But their tenacious self-confidence still shines through whether we love them or hate them (and we did love a lot of what we heard on this album!)