Attack on Titan 4x9: "Brave Volunteers" // Early Reaction and Discussion
Added 2022-12-04 23:23:56 +0000 UTC
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In my opinion we can't treat Gabi as just a child, cause she's not, whoever treated her as one in this show died, I agree she can't be as mature as an adult, and we can't even fault her for believing everything Marley told them since they were born, at the same time she, as part of the military, has seen how cruel the world is but never stopped to think of the consequences of their actions, she just focused on being praised and did anything to obtain the armored titan, even tho she faced death on a daily basis almost, she acknowledges its excistance only when it's her friends that start dying, that's why I think it's ok to blame her for her actions, she might be very young but she's not clueless and she knows what she's doing, not saying she deserves to be killed, but if she died on the airship I wouldn't have shed any tears, at this point in time the author did absolutely nothing to make us like her tbh, and I think Falco being there the whole time and being so mature about eveything just makes it worse cause he's the same age as her. Even knowing what happens in the future it's hard to start liking her, at least for me, didn't mean to write a poem, sorry :(
Tibbers
2023-06-09 20:39:29 +0000 UTCI gotta know where Ben got that hoodie.
Snow
2022-12-07 20:19:23 +0000 UTC"What if Eren doesn't give Mikasa the scarf" is the plot of one of the Lost Girls OVAs lol
Mekar
2022-12-05 23:13:45 +0000 UTCI personally wasn't talking about Anna. I was talking to Peter Wyatt who wrote a comment above.
Noctislolig
2022-12-05 21:09:20 +0000 UTCim shocked no one wrote the fan fact.. so isayama the creator of aot planned to kill sasha at s2e2 ("home") while she rescue the little girl sasha lost her horse and staiyed behind to protect the running girl.. thats where she supposed to die.. but one of the edittors of isayamah cried and begged not to kill sasha.. so her death was delay by 2 seasons. im just glad we got more sasha
amir.cricket
2022-12-05 15:29:13 +0000 UTCSure, but she addresses it all as well. She said she knows she's putting unfair expectations on Gabi and that she believes Gabi is in the story to make us see/feel that the cycle of violence and revenge is going to continue. Her perspective is from someone who hasn't seen the rest of the season yet, so I don't think she's being too hard based on what she's seen. I think my thoughts were very similar at this time when I first watched it.
Epsilox
2022-12-05 08:18:25 +0000 UTCIn my opinion Gabi is forced by Marley and their environment to take on adult roles as a 12 year-old girl which in my eyes is a problem. You treating her actions with as little understanding as you would for an adult because of this, you are perpetuating the same problematic mindset imo.
Noctislolig
2022-12-05 05:16:45 +0000 UTCYou claim that I am "narrow-minded" for giving Gabi expectations for her decisions, whether they were incorrect ones or not, though you contradict that claim by also giving Gabi expectations on how a child is typically treated. All examples you have listed are indeed ones presented to children, and I do admit that this show presents a divide on morality between "right" and "wrong" for a child's behavior. However, those examples you have listed are among those that won't even push any form of character development onward. In fact, I do believe that those scenes are simply meant to represent the innocence of how both Gabi and Falco behave, whenever there's a break from sheer bloodshed and the theme of vengeance. Look at Falco and him overhearing the conversation between Eren and Reiner. Were it not for that scene between Eren and Reiner, he'd not have enough of a clue to comprehend the bigger picture. In fact, I'd think he'd be more susceptible to Gabi's mindset for vengeance. And it was that scene that, unlike those you listed, have pushed Falco's character development into the experience level of an "adult". When Eren was a child, he acted as Gabi - yearning for revenge and wanting to act on instinct and rage. When Eren grew up into a literal adult, to his age in Season 4, he gained more knowledge of the world "beyond the walls" and "beyond the sea". I won't spoil anything, but it seems more than likely that if Gabi is to receive any form of character development beyond this point, she'll have to think about her actions and allow them to push beyond the metaphysical walls that her mind has created. As in, should that occur, she won't be as closed-minded as she used to be.
Peter Wyatt
2022-12-05 04:48:57 +0000 UTChmmmmm. While I do understand and appreciate the concept you bring up it seems extremely narrow minded. I would say that most 12 year olds that are given power at that age are quite extreme in how they go about it and don't have the mental capacity at that age to fully understand their actions as much as an adult would. Lets just say children tend to overindulge, not to mention the fact that they are celebrated for their actions which makes them want to perform them even more. While I do understand that Gabi killing is performing an adult action, I disagree that the show treats her as an adult. Their have been multiple moments already where they are treated as children. Episode 4 when they are all running, they start cheering for Falco while the adult warriors laugh it off as kids having fun. Then we see the gate guards laughing with them about their training and Falcos crush on Gabi. Then we see the lady at the market being kind to them and talking to them as children. Then we see them all having ice cream and going nuts at the festival. In episode 6 Gabi is reckless and the adults (Colt and gate guards) try to stop her from going forward because shes a child.
Sean Carroll
2022-12-05 04:16:11 +0000 UTCAt the same time, children such as Gabi and Falco are treated as adults, meant to go to war, rather than be in school and attending college one day. They're trained to be Warriors, serving Marley as potential vessels for Titans. The fact that Anna is judging Gabi is only because the show, itself, is treating her as an adult. As Gabi is making adult decisions, she's inevitably going to realize, quicker than most will at her age, what the repercussions are of doing something that has been perceived by Anna as "idiotic". To put it simply, I can easily judge someone, as an adult, who wants to take on an adult decision. It will be up to them to also deal with the consequences, as an "adult", even if their form and actual age is that of a child.
Peter Wyatt
2022-12-05 03:58:01 +0000 UTCAnna is being too hard on Gabi to expect a 12 year old to have rational adult thoughts after the enemy she has been taught to hate actually came and attacked them. Also wouldnt it be much too quick for a character to shoot an enemy and suddenly think, "oh my god what have I done", if Gabi is going to realise the enemy isnt actually what she was taught to believe it is going to take preogression of multiple moments showing contrary to what she was taught for her to change her mind. It would have been insane whiplash if she changed her thought process in 1 or 2 episodes. Couldnt we lump the scouts into the same boat, they all came and attacked MArley which also perpetuates the cycle, not to mention the fact that they understand the other side but still chose to do it anyway, I understand they didnt want to but they still did. Why isnt she angry at them as much as she is at Gabi who at this stage couldnt possibly know any better?
Sean Carroll
2022-12-05 02:38:35 +0000 UTCIt's interesting you mention the concept of a "what if" where Eren doesn't give Mikasa the scarf because there actually IS an OVA episode based on that. I don't know if you're interested in seeing it but it's called "lost girls". There's another one under the same name focusing on Annie as well.
Wilfrid Turner
2022-12-05 02:21:44 +0000 UTC
