PATRON TAKES - Star Trek TNG Season 2 Episode 20
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I'm not sure "central" is the word I'd use, but props for proper apostrophe usage. 😏
Jovet
2024-03-27 03:17:37 +0000 UTCWell, it's no sonic screwdriver. LOL!
Jovet
2024-03-27 02:43:38 +0000 UTC"Haven" may be debatable, but you forgot Troi in "The Child." Actually, you're right; let's just forget that episode
Moonlander
2024-03-27 01:28:21 +0000 UTCI'd like to see her play a Bolian barber
Moonlander
2024-03-27 00:56:59 +0000 UTCFuturistic alien vibrator
startrekiborg
2024-03-26 17:42:16 +0000 UTCThis is a great example of Star Trek....when it's at its best! Outstanding writing and character development. Worf is clearly at his best (at this point) and his relationship with K'Ehleyr is complicated and intriguing. The Next Generation episodes are taking a slow turn towards depth....as you guys will see moving forward. Worf is one of 3 characters that will emerge in a very central way. This is the beginning!
Dale Gonyea
2024-03-26 15:39:47 +0000 UTCGotta love Suzie Plakson (Selar/K’Ehleyr) She has a perfect bitchy resting face and an awesome “I’m so over this” attitude. She’s played a Vulcan doctor and a Klingon\human ambassador. What other characters would you like to see her play? A Romulan artist? Maybe a Benzite princess? No matter what, you know that she’s always up for kicking some ass.
Leo Greenwood
2024-03-26 14:26:18 +0000 UTCMain characters getting laid in an episode so far: Worf, Riker, Data, Yar, Troi (debatable: with Wyatt on the holodeck in S1 “Haven”)
Shatner's Cigarette
2024-03-26 11:58:35 +0000 UTCKlingon Loooooooooore!
Shatner's Cigarette
2024-03-26 11:51:32 +0000 UTCReally, because to me it felt like this could have easily fit into an animated series length episode. Especially after yet another poker scene lead in that felt longer than it needed to be.
Nick Sauer
2024-03-26 11:48:10 +0000 UTCPOKER EPISODE.
Juan Tutrífor
2024-03-26 11:16:22 +0000 UTCGood thing that interspecies hybrids like her are typically sterile.
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:16:17 +0000 UTCcooch???
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:14:30 +0000 UTCI'm glad they didn't try to do it with Selar (pun intended). That's just ridiculous.
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:12:02 +0000 UTCIt's just you.
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:11:18 +0000 UTCOr shove that glove for a moment of self love...
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:10:46 +0000 UTCWell, she's not Starfleet. And she knows Klingons.
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:09:51 +0000 UTCFor me it's her witty, snarky, yet thoughtful attitude that lure me in! More than her looks.
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:07:29 +0000 UTC@Monty Crawford Can't let a good prop go to waste! (See also: the chairs)
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:05:52 +0000 UTCI find a lot of the Klingon blustering as inane, unsophisticated, and boring. But, Worf's repeatedly given some great candid one-liners.
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:03:38 +0000 UTCWorf's only old flame, methinks.
Jovet
2024-03-26 03:02:44 +0000 UTCThat map is used in several episodes.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-26 02:20:46 +0000 UTCWere you surpised to learn K'Ehleyr was half human and that Worf had an old flame? Just an all round great episode. Exploration of the Klingon culture with some great Worf backstory and development. Liked the bluff they used to solve the issue, tied in nicely with the poker opener.
Incredible Jon
2024-03-25 22:53:06 +0000 UTCWhen I rewatched this one a couple of weeks ago I thought to myself “Alex is gonna fall off his seat when he sees that Skeletor hologram again” .Amiright?😀
Rich Cirivilleri
2024-03-25 19:40:59 +0000 UTCA favorite episode of mine, and another example of casting (and in particular the female guest star) making or breaking the episode. K'Ehleyr, half Klingon, half human, straight up one of the best guest characters in Trek. And it doesn’t hurt that she and Michael Dorn have great chemistry.
Glenn Johnson Barnes
2024-03-25 19:35:17 +0000 UTCeasy prediction: you both really love this episode
Prof Moff
2024-03-25 19:26:13 +0000 UTCAbsolutely wonderful episode. I add this to Elementary Dear Data, The Measure of a Man, Matter of Honor, and Q Who in my list of "Fantastic Season 2 episodes that stand proudly against all the good episodes to come." Suzie Plackson (last seen as the vulcan medical tech in The Schizoid Man) is fantastic here
Ian Westcott
2024-03-25 18:34:54 +0000 UTCWorf episodes never disappoint.
Tim b
2024-03-25 18:11:52 +0000 UTCIt was a bluff insofar as the implication was, obviously, that Worf was the usual captain of the Enterprise and that the Klingons had conquered the Federation.
Steven Linden
2024-03-25 17:33:21 +0000 UTCI always figured the computer knew when to keep anyone from entering.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-25 17:26:49 +0000 UTCAnd no poetry....but then again I always figured the battle was enough to get them worked up to fondue.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-25 17:25:36 +0000 UTCThe tights helped. Great body.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-25 17:22:56 +0000 UTCIt really wasn't a bluff. Picard had given Worf command of the Enterprise, and he only stated that the war was over. I think Worf would have went ahead and destroyed them if they didn't back down.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-25 17:21:45 +0000 UTCI always figured Keh'Lar waited until the Prang showed up and let them tell them the actual truth.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-25 17:19:34 +0000 UTCI noticed that also, but I think the holodeck battle was sufficient to get them both into the mood.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-25 17:16:37 +0000 UTCBeing strangely attracted to a beautiful woman is normal. Especially when she is in tights as in this episode...I mean WOW.
Monty Crawford
2024-03-25 17:15:24 +0000 UTCOk, this one I really like! Not only because it has an old flame of Worf but the old flame was also in a previous Ep. (I hope you recognize her) She was the Vulcan Doctor Selar in the Ep. The Schizoid Man. She is Suzie Plakson & I don't know what it is but I found her strangely attractive when I saw this in the 80s and still do now. She is my Favorite Female Klingon of TNG even though she bites! I really did not care about the Klingons from 70 years ago but did like the Resolution of that problem. So another 2 good ones in a row, can you guys take it? I would think you will give it 2 thumbs up unless I'm totally wrong. That's it! 🖖😀
Duane Chancey
2024-03-25 17:02:55 +0000 UTCLMAO You put some "big eyes" on that last word! ;)
StonyD
2024-03-25 15:11:07 +0000 UTCThe poker scene ending with Worf's line, "Klingons never bluff", is a great piece of writing. Not only because the solution to the central problem of the episode is a gigantic bluff on the part of Worf and K'Ehleyr, but also because it helps explain why this tactic works so well against the Klingon captain who could not expect it.
Steven Linden
2024-03-25 14:59:52 +0000 UTCGentlemen you have arrived at the beginning of a Glorious Tale of Hard fought struggle & Honor: Worf's Character arc. May it bring glory & honor for your coooouch.
Justin DiBari
2024-03-25 14:45:27 +0000 UTCIt seems odd that the Klingon ship would be sent on a “high priority” mission that would take 75 years to achieve. Couldn’t have been too high a priority. A nice Worf story, though.
tyranusfan
2024-03-25 14:25:09 +0000 UTCI thought this episode was odd because of the continuity problem, where they talk about how Klingons in the 23rd century are used cryo- stasis, and yet in the original series in the movies, we never see any hint of that. Maybe they only had status on ships that were meant to go far out? Though I wouldn’t think federation colonies would be considered that far out. I also wonder how they broke the news to the Klingons on that ship afterwards that they are actually at peace, and have not conquered the federation LOL. Did Kayllar (I probably didn’t spell that right) break the news to them or was it when they got back to Kro’nos. Also fun fact when we see the Klingon Kat’inga class battle cruiser on the view screen it’s the same reuse shot from the motion picture.
Leighton Cressman
2024-03-25 14:05:39 +0000 UTCSomeone mods these, right?
John M.
2024-03-25 13:16:11 +0000 UTCMichael Dorn kills it yet again. Not bad for an actor who's character was almost an afterthought to the show's structure. Once again, the Klingon lore building in TNG delivers. Susie Plakson, now 2 for 2 on our "resident alien girl" list. What are your thoughts on the K'Ehleyr character, and Worf's "Klingon angst"?
Steven Johnson
2024-03-25 13:13:40 +0000 UTCGreat episode, much better than I remembered. I predict you'll both love it.
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-03-25 12:56:32 +0000 UTCHe was also the narrator of "Quantum Leap."
Anthony Bernacchi
2024-03-25 12:55:41 +0000 UTCWhat are your thoughts on Susie Plakson as Ke’Lar? Fun fact: she also played the Vulcan Dr. Lt. Selar from “The Schizoid Man”.
Chris S.
2024-03-25 12:45:41 +0000 UTCDisappointing lack of Klingon love poetry, so here's one cut from the episode Up The Long Ladder I hunt in darkness. The stars my guide. The memory of you sings in my blood. I seize the gift. Carry it to your bower. And lay at your feet the hearts of my enemies.
SinocTheHodgeheg
2024-03-25 12:07:22 +0000 UTCShe was also Marshall's mum in "How I Met Your Mother" and Robby's ex-wife Joanne in "Everybody Loves Raymond".
Regan
2024-03-25 11:59:31 +0000 UTCJosh and Alex: there are volumes written about Klingons, as well as Klingon language translations already in print and available for purchase. There are classes about Klingon culture actually taught at actual universities, and for actual credit (no kidding), and even Shakespeare plays translated into the Klingon language. (They're said to be a race devoted to HONOR.) Star Trek has had tremendous influence on world culture, and I mean "actual" world culture, for sure.
Rhett Coates
2024-03-25 11:57:49 +0000 UTCStrangely in my head canon this always was the first "big" Klingon episode. I suppose because of a certain female Klingon. Well I was thirteen ...
Sam Langanke
2024-03-25 11:37:06 +0000 UTC“Nice chair”. I have not seen this episode in a long time. When it first aired, I thought the surprise about the awakened Klingons was going to be they were a secret envoy to talk peace with the Federation because they made such a big deal about what could their mission have been.
Collin Freeman
2024-03-25 11:30:39 +0000 UTCYes, I agree
Collin Freeman
2024-03-25 11:27:27 +0000 UTCOr Worf lore.
Collin Freeman
2024-03-25 11:23:22 +0000 UTCWhen writing "The Schizoid Man" they considered a romance between Worf and the Vulcan Doctor Selar but dropped the idea in favor of this. Worf was always fated to hook up with a Suzie Plakson character!
Alexander McKechnie
2024-03-25 10:33:42 +0000 UTCI always like an exploration of the Klingons, and other cultures. Sure, the Enterprise may be seeking out new life and new civilizations, but I like when they fill in detail on civilizations that aren't new.
John
2024-03-25 09:57:42 +0000 UTCWas it just me, or was there a lot of filler in this episode? Shades of Amok Time with the whole surprise wife thing. I found the whole relationship between Worf and K'Ehleyr (Killer?) to be way too melodramatic for my liking.
Nick Sauer
2024-03-25 09:48:41 +0000 UTCWorf has a love story.. and I also loved seeing the return to Worf’s programmed fight scene on the Holodeck
TalynStarburst
2024-03-25 09:22:01 +0000 UTCDid you recognize Klingon Captain K’Temoc as the actor who played the leader of the Borellian Nomen in Battlestar Galactica (as well as Uncle Bootes in the episode “The Lost Warrior”)?
James H
2024-03-25 09:16:52 +0000 UTCI’ll predict you’ll enjoy the episode. It’s not bad, and we do have little of Worf backstory and a little Klingon lore. Plus the score during the holodeck scene reminded me of the traditional TOS fight scores. And, come on!!! Rewatching it nowadays, when K'Ehleyr entered the holodeck, and put on that giant glove, somebody must of been thinking she was going to snap her fingers and say “I am Ironman”.
startrekiborg
2024-03-25 09:14:33 +0000 UTCIt's amazing how different Suzie Plakson's character is from the Vulcan she played in a previous episode. That's range.
Andrea R
2024-03-25 08:49:48 +0000 UTCThis is a solid episode. Poker, Worf history, Klingon lore, K'Ehler, O'Brien even gets a line at the end. 🤣
Andrea R
2024-03-25 08:45:58 +0000 UTCGood episode here. K'Ehleyr is a great character and the actress does a great job. But in universe K'Ehleyr refusing to even try tofollow Picard's directive of find another way to deal with the Klingons that isn't blowing them up is annoying and seems to suggest she isn't the best diplomat.
Greg Quinn
2024-03-25 07:37:44 +0000 UTCGreat, a klingon episode.🙄 At least this one has K'Ehleyr who I really like, probably because she finds klingon culture as dumb and annoying as I do.
Phillip Grischa
2024-03-25 07:19:21 +0000 UTCLOL They don't actually show the whole mating procedure, 'ya know...
Jovet
2024-03-25 07:13:15 +0000 UTC@Nolan Lots of places I could go with that. I, personally, couldn't care less. "The ship will clean itself." "Well, good for the bloody ship." But the boys are gonna bring it up again, you know it.
Jovet
2024-03-25 07:11:32 +0000 UTCSo two seasons in, where are TNG's klingons compared to your expectations at the beginning? As iconic as they were they sure never got explored like this
James Bottas
2024-03-25 06:36:49 +0000 UTCWord lore!
Troy Massey
2024-03-25 06:09:20 +0000 UTCI dunno why Trek fans are so obsessed with "who cleans up the holodeck" question/meme. It's a world with moledular transporters, vaporizing phasers and replicators that rearranges and breaks down matter. The holodeck probably beams any errant organic matter into waste extraction where it gets broken down into it's consituant atoms and either discarded, used as matter fuel or turned into boots. I doubt there's some low ranking officer scrubbing stains off the floor in the 24th Century. That'd be lazy and unimaginative world-building for a franchise so mired in showing the potential of technology, no?
Nolan
2024-03-25 05:55:45 +0000 UTCAnother stand out season 2 episode as far as I am concerned. My biggest question is that does the holodeck have a lock. In my memory, it never seems to and it would have made the episode if Riker or someone else walked in on the two of them.
Mike Rogers
2024-03-25 05:54:56 +0000 UTCEhh, when it comes to sex, people really aren't that smart. Especially overly passionate species like Klingons, I bet.
Nolan
2024-03-25 05:47:09 +0000 UTCK'Ehleyr as a character is fantastic, but I just can't like her. She knew how seriously Worf took Klingon tradition, and she knew exactly what he'd think it meant if they had sex. Hard to interpret that as anything other than leading Worf on.
bab
2024-03-25 05:43:03 +0000 UTCWorf is proving to be a versatile character. A practical blank slate of a Klingon side character, with Heart of Glory and now The Emissary, they continue to add to not only his, but of all Klingon .....LORE.
JGoss
2024-03-25 05:40:59 +0000 UTC0/10, K'Ehleyr does not "hurl heavy objects" as part of the mating ritual, as Worf once told Wesley.
Evan Guthrie
2024-03-25 05:35:19 +0000 UTCYou guys have been looking for more score, well I think this episode's score really sets the scene well for K'Ehleyr and Worf's relationship, and Suzie Plakson is great in this role. Great episode.
Szledje
2024-03-25 05:23:03 +0000 UTCWhat Worf shouts in the holodeck is "tlhIngan jIH", which is Klingon for "I am Klingon". In context apparently that's the first line of the Klingon equivalent of marriage vows.
Jeff Cornell
2024-03-25 04:50:48 +0000 UTCIt’s another Worf episode, which so far you guys have seemed to love. Not a super complicated plot just more character building for Worf. Plus Suzie Plakson returns as K’Ehlyr after playing Dr. Selar previously.
Eric Bundy
2024-03-25 04:46:18 +0000 UTCOne of the good S2 episodes. K'Ehleyr is great, and more Worf is always welcome.
Michael Mannisto
2024-03-25 04:45:26 +0000 UTCHe could smack her only half way across the bridge then
Smear Campaign
2024-03-25 04:35:52 +0000 UTCI really like this one. Good exploration of what changed in the time between TOS and TNG, the awesome, and frankly attractive despite all that Klingon make-up K'Ehleyr, who is played by the same actress as the Vulcan Dr. Selar, from "The Schizoid Man" earlier this season. Another high point is a very roller coaster season.
Nolan
2024-03-25 04:35:46 +0000 UTCThis was a fantastic episode to really dig into Worf a bit more, his humor, his honor, and most of all his confidence when dealing with the other Klingons (and respect for comfortable chairs)
A Surprisingly Moist Fart
2024-03-25 04:35:07 +0000 UTCWell, she's only *half* klingon.
Jeff Cornell
2024-03-25 04:34:47 +0000 UTCBased on Worf’s reaction to the mate Q once conjured for him, shouldn’t we have seen more domestic violence or love poetry?
Smear Campaign
2024-03-25 04:25:37 +0000 UTCI predict you guys will enjoy this episode, since it has Klingons and you enjoy the LORE!!!! Always remember what happens on the holedeck stays on the holedeck.
Smokey C
2024-03-25 04:22:34 +0000 UTCGreat episode, and despite it being second season, it's well written. This one is in my top 20. Oh....AND SUZIE PLAKSON IN TIGHTS!!!!!! hubba HUBBA!!!
Monty Crawford
2024-03-25 04:16:12 +0000 UTCDid you guys spot Remmick's star chart? Around the time someone is beautiful...
Jovet
2024-03-25 04:15:58 +0000 UTC"Talk or play. NOT both."
Jovet
2024-03-25 04:08:57 +0000 UTCNow the boys are REALLY going to want to know who cleans up the holodeck after it's used...
Jovet
2024-03-25 04:07:55 +0000 UTCA Klingon episode. That means it's good. They don't phone in the relationship or the elements of Klingon culture. They actually care what they are building.
Nerd's Gold
2024-03-25 04:07:19 +0000 UTCPrediction: I love this episode, and so will you two. Worf has finally "met his match" but still manages to get some! Suzie Plakson is FAB in this!!
Jovet
2024-03-25 04:06:52 +0000 UTCCaptain Worf of the Enterprise, that has a nice ring to it. The Worf lore in this episode is fantastic, we get one last look at the “old” Klingons who are out to destroy the Federation before we really develop their culture through Worf’s eyes, and we get a half-human half-Klingon in K’Ehlyr who really takes charge, I like her a lot in this episode.
Gregory
2024-03-25 04:04:09 +0000 UTCK’Ehlyr!!! (Said like The Lore!) Played by the incredibly talented Suzie Plakson, one of my favorite guest stars in this or any other series. When you see the Klingon vessel in this episode, it’s some reused footage from TMP, just with some effects added.
Brian Moore
2024-03-25 03:57:05 +0000 UTCI really like this one a lot. More Worf backstory is fun. Holodeck use is fun. Worf being smart is fun (at the end, he may need some work on reading other people).
Elway Simpson
2024-03-25 03:53:37 +0000 UTCLove interest for Worf and a great moment with Worf in the captain's chair :)
Andreas Schmitt
2024-03-25 03:50:44 +0000 UTCIn case you wanted to give an on-screen acknowledgment. The background character you guys dubbed "Chad", played by Dexter Clay, made his final appearance last week in S2 E19: Manhunt. He passed away from cancer in 2017 at the age of 61. RIP His only line in the show was, "Can I help you, Sir?" to Mendon in 'A Matter of Honor'.
David Brown
2024-03-25 03:49:43 +0000 UTCOne of the highlights of the season for me. I forgot this was as early as season 2 - it fits the vibe of season 3 and later.
Paul Rymer
2024-03-25 03:48:45 +0000 UTCSuzie Plakson, the actor who played Ambassador K'Ehleyr, was the same actor who played the Vulcan doctor Lieutenant Selar back in Episode 6 of this season. And one of the original ideas for this episode was to have Worf get into a relationship with Doctor Selar.
Aramis Calcutt
2024-03-25 03:44:01 +0000 UTCMore poker! More Klingon lore! Worf has holodeck sex with K'Ehleyr! I think you'll probably both like her. She may return or she may not, you'll just have to watch and see, the same as any guest star in any episode who doesn't die. This is my final “Best of the Best” ranked episode of Season 2.
KatWithAttitude
2024-03-25 03:42:24 +0000 UTCK'Ehleyr was played by the same actress as Dr Selar, the Vulcan earlier this season. Apparently Selar was created as a potential love interest for Worf for it didn't work out. Seems like they revisited the idea with the same actress playing a Klingon. Which performance of hers did you prefer?
THE LORE!!!
2024-03-25 03:42:23 +0000 UTC
